On 10/29/2024 at 10:05 AM, LRBS said:

 The next question is, what kind of damage are you looking for? 

As usual I am looking for real simulation, period. In case of a bird strike it should cause visible effects on the aircraft, and possible damage if inside the engine etc. Meaning taking off like Scully at LGA could mean the same results and a forced water landing on the Hudson.

In all of the advances with flight sim and AI etc it's great but to pull off this one, and do it properly would really take a lot. Imagine you are preparing to taxi and a little bird lands on the wing and is looking around. Then as the aircraft starts to move he jumps around and flutters and flies off. Or a little bird is chirping in the tree and he notices a worm and swoops down to grab him. All of this would be next level stuff.

A “pilot simulator” … that’s a new one.  So why bother calling it a simulator?

On 10/29/2024 at 10:00 PM, Greazer said:

As usual I am looking for real simulation, period. In case of a bird strike it should cause visible effects on the aircraft, and possible damage if inside the engine etc. Meaning taking off like Scully at LGA could mean the same results and a forced water landing on the Hudson.

In all of the advances with flight sim and AI etc it's great but to pull off this one, and do it properly would really take a lot. Imagine you are preparing to taxi and a little bird lands on the wing and is looking around. Then as the aircraft starts to move he jumps around and flutters and flies off. Or a little bird is chirping in the tree and he notices a worm and swoops down to grab him. All of this would be next level stuff.

There won't be any structural damage that's been confirmed.

Jorg said that some of the aircraft manufacturers won't allow it, and he doesn't want to have just some aircraft with visible damage and some aircraft without.

There will be stuff like tire pressure, mud, scratches on the glass etc. But no major damage.

Edited November 4, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

2 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

There won't be any structural damage that's been confirmed.

They’re going in the wrong direction.  Shame.

8 minutes ago, CO2Neutral said:

They’re going in the wrong direction.

No, they are not.

1 minute ago, Rimshot said:

No, they are not.

We disagree, but time will tell.

I won't be impressed untill the word until is spelt correctly...

3 minutes ago, CO2Neutral said:

but time will tell

Only two more weeks 🙂

3 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

There won't be any structural damage that's been confirmed.

Jorg said that some of the aircraft manufacturers won't allow it, and he doesn't want to have just some aircraft with visible damage and some aircraft without.

There will be stuff like tire pressure, mud, scratches on the glass etc. But no major damage.

FYI, I already know this.

I have not missed any presentations or interviews etc!

What I am saying is I won't be impressed until ...  (read above)

I don’t think FAA defines structural damage as a bird strike . Engine failure is actually on separate category . Structural failure is more like if actually clip tip of your  wing or loose part of your stabilator . I believe comprehensive system  failure without visuals is how real world professionals sims work. I know for sure that you can overdress aircraft in current version of MSFS will be greeted with message “you have crashed” . If that is what you guys meant but structural damage 

6 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

A “pilot simulator” … that’s a new one.  So why bother calling it a simulator?

Yes pilot simulator is great one! People will find out why first officer freezes his bottom on walk around while captain is chilling in the cockpit! lol

There won't be a physical damage model like beamng, but with the introduction of collision damage in 2024, 3rd party devs could introduced damaged component meshes to simulate damaged areas of the aircraft based on location of scrape points and the velocity of the impact.  This damage is cumulative, and could affect different control systems depending on the amount of damage sustained.  This will be welcomed change to the hard core crash window appearing when you bump into a building or tree in 2020.  Too bad MSFS won't allow these effects to be seen on their 2024 aircraft (is this true for all marketplace aircraft?), but 3rd party aircraft devs may come up with some creative ways to simulate visual aircraft damage in 2024 (even if its not perfect).

There are some good examples of visual damage in 2020, such as the CAS J-3 Cub where the wheel struts can break off if impact is beyond a certain impact threshold, and this and other aircraft have had prop damage modelled. 2024 should offer a good extension of these visuals without resorting to custom code by the devs.

https://docs.flightsimulator.com/msfs2024/html/5_Content_Configuration/CFG_Files/Flight_Model/flight_model_info.htm?rhhlterm=wear

3 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

They’re going in the wrong direction.  Shame.

Blame the (unnamed) aircraft manufacturers, they don't wish to see their aircraft damaged. It's all about the PR.

Edited November 5, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

I think Parallel 42 will figure out something for bird strikes but it will be on a payware basis, per aircraft.

As real as it gets.