23 hours ago, Greazer said:

I won't be impressed with flight sim until ... the skies come alive with a realistic simulation of all kinds of birds, big and small. And I mean birds in flight, birds in trees, birds foraging on the ground. And bird strikes to aircraft. 

 

Since you mentioned it.

After 40 long years of MFS and 4+ years of MSFS I don't think these 'as real as it gets' expectations are unreasonable.
Immersion killers all. 

I won't be impressed if MSFS still has these four things (there are reports that #3 might be fixed):

1. Dark lines on the water.
   Black lines in the water - Bug Reporting Hub / Scenery and Airports - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums
    
2. Suicidal ground personnel.
   Airport ground crew are they just stupid in MSFS2020? - Discussion Hub / General Discussion - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums
   If Prepar3d can do it, you can do it too!
   Dancing Zombie in Prepar3D (youtube.com)
    
3. Non-functional windshield wipers (eg. rain on the default King Air).
   Functional windshield wipers - Official Microsoft Flight Simulator / Wishlist - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums
   These guys did it 3 years ago. Hire them already!
   Assetto Corsa - Rain on windscreen (youtube.com)
    
4. No pilot-controlled lighting (PCL).
   Pilot-controlled lighting (PCL) - Official Microsoft Flight Simulator / Wishlist - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums
   Real life PCL
   Playing with the pilot-controlled lighting at Paine Field (youtube.com)

7 hours ago, nonflyingdutchman said:

Not impressed until I crash my pc goes up in flames

That's funny you say that I have been wondering how putting some artificial teeth into flight simming such that there are meaningful consequences, you know like there are in the real world 🙃.  Right now I do the next best thing (and far kinder 🙂) which is using flight scoring in A Pilot's Life and in Self Loading Cargo.  It's very satisfying to get perfect scores in both at the same time.  But how about these kind of teeth:  if you don't score high enough the app is not useable for a week!  Or....if you do crash or sustain serious damage to the aircraft MSFS will not open for one week 😢

1 hour ago, Noel said:

MSFS will not open for one week

reminds me of my parents educational measures back then for bad grades at school or for not doing my homework. I would definetely have worked harder to avoid MSFS not opening for one week . or having to go back to FS4 and fly only the sopwith camel around Meigs without joystick for the next month. 🤣

Edited October 29, 20241 yr by turbomax

I won't be impressed with MSFS until the "fish eye" external view on wide screens is fixed.

The biggest (already) gripe and concern I've about the upcoming MSFS24 is it's huge greed for internet speed and bandwith. E.g. I live in an area (western Germany) where the maximum speed I can get is round about ~110 Mbit at most. Especially Germany is known for bad and underdeveloped Internet, compared to international standards.

For those who are interested: The Youtuber Compusemble has done a remarkable good job in monitoring the previous Tech-Alpha build in his video MSFS 2024 Technical Alpha | Performance and Internet Bandwidth Tested!

Well, I foresee a lot of upcoming problems for many users and flightsimmers at least in Germany, and MSFS 2020 will be around for onger than someone may expect, maybe 😉.

Edited October 29, 20241 yr by Grisu

On 10/27/2024 at 10:58 PM, Greazer said:

I won't be impressed with flight sim until ... the skies come alive with a realistic simulation of all kinds of birds, big and small. And I mean birds in flight, birds in trees, birds foraging on the ground. And bird strikes to aircraft. 

 

Check out Bird Simulator

On 10/27/2024 at 10:58 PM, Greazer said:

I won't be impressed with flight sim until ... the skies come alive with a realistic simulation of all kinds of birds, big and small. And I mean birds in flight, birds in trees, birds foraging on the ground. And bird strikes to aircraft. 

 

i won't be impressed until I see people eating and playing at the park.

7 hours ago, Noel said:

That's funny you say that I have been wondering how putting some artificial teeth into flight simming such that there are meaningful consequences, you know like there are in the real world 🙃.  Right now I do the next best thing (and far kinder 🙂) which is using flight scoring in A Pilot's Life and in Self Loading Cargo.  It's very satisfying to get perfect scores in both at the same time.  But how about these kind of teeth:  if you don't score high enough the app is not useable for a week!  Or....if you do crash or sustain serious damage to the aircraft MSFS will not open for one week 😢

I've often thought about this too. What you really don't get in the sim, is that sweaty palm, racing heart feeling, when you are lining up and hyper sensitive to engine sounds, checking the fuel selectors etc, because you just know, this thing is going to either ruin your day or wipe you out of existence if you aren't on it 100 percent.

A2A were the first to state mishandling their aircraft had consequences. I thought even then, "na, real consequences amount to more than putting your kite in a virtual hangar with the comforting sound of a hammer and pneumatic drill" lol.

If there was a cost....as in losing your aircraft for a week....it would get the adrenaline flowing!

On 10/28/2024 at 3:27 AM, rick celik said:

I wont be impressed until I can smell jet fuel through my screen when I'm doing a walk around. 

They got candles for that

6 hours ago, RodosMike said:

I won't be impressed with MSFS until the "fish eye" external view on wide screens is fixed.

Isn't that built-in to wide screens such that there's nothing to be 'fixed'?

10 hours ago, bofhlusr said:

Since you mentioned it.

After 40 long years of MFS and 4+ years of MSFS I don't think these 'as real as it gets' expectations are unreasonable.
Immersion killers all. 

I won't be impressed if MSFS still has these four things (there are reports that #3 might be fixed)

Number 3 is fixed in 2024. We told you this later time you posted the list.

Theres even a section dedicated to it in the SDK documentation.

Funny, many of these feature requests were present in FSX/P3D many many years ago that were dropped in MSFS 2020 or just not doable with the limited SDK.

Agree A2A aircraft in P3D had consequences, damage of flaps if lowered at wrong speed range and other stressed items that made for some very interesting flying when you make a mistake.  There is a complete lack of “consequences” in MSFS and zero improvement on object collision … features that I fear will never make it into MSFS primarily due to the processing requirements that XBOX could never support.

Anyone can jump in any aircraft, and know almost nothing and go fly them … this includes 3rd party aircraft.  Just zero consequences.

8 minutes ago, CO2Neutral said:

Agree A2A aircraft in P3D had consequences, damage of flaps if lowered at wrong speed range and other stressed items that made for some very interesting flying when you make a mistake.  There is a complete lack of “consequences” in MSFS and zero improvement on object collision … features that I fear will never make it into MSFS primarily due to the processing requirements that XBOX could never support.

And the A2A aircraft in MSFS also have similar consequences don't they? As do other aircraft whose devs chose to add those features to, and as will MSFS 2024 default aircraft with the new wear & tear system in the core sim. How did you come to the conclusion that this supposed lack of consequences will never make it into MSFS "due to processing requirements that XBox could never support"? (unless of course the same old non-sensical assumptions are being employed here about the XBox platform, a platform whose processing power is better than various lower-end PCs that MSFS is also run on ... i.e. it has nothing to do with the XBox platform)
 

Edited October 29, 20241 yr by lwt1971

2 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

Anyone can jump in any aircraft, and know almost nothing and go fly them …

And long may that continue. Give me a flight simulator anytime, not a pilot simulator.

2 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

Anyone can jump in any aircraft, and know almost nothing and go fly them … this includes 3rd party aircraft.  Just zero consequences.

Ctrl+e

Joystick back - take off

Joystick left/right - fly somewhere, look around 

Joystick forward - hit the ground, hopefully wheel side down

Restart mission. Since it's a simulation, I live to fly again 😂

 

Edited October 29, 20241 yr by OneOfMany