4 hours ago, guenseli said:

I have a Warthog Throttle and set it up in that way:

When I press a button with my thumb, "normal" fwd axis will be disable and turn into reverse axis as long as the button is pressed.

It is not 100% realistic to push then throttles forward for reverse, but advantage is, you can control reverse very good and precise.

What is great with turboprops for example during taxi (e.g. FSR500)

Can you set detents on the Warthog throttle?

On my STECS, I created a small detent on the lowest 5% if the throttle axis so when I pull the throttle levers back over the detent it 'pushes' buttons that are linked to 'THROTTLE DECREASE' in MSFS. This will ramp up reverse thrust to maximum until you bump the handles back over the detent.

17 hours ago, LRBS said:

fully understand having buttons for a game as such

You answered your own question! 

17 hours ago, LRBS said:

fully understand having buttons for a game as such

You answered your own question! 

Ye olde avsim submit twice situation..... 

Edited November 6, 20241 yr by sloppysmusic

STECS Standard.

I set the blue thingamajig with physical detents for Idle, Climb, Flex, and calibrated the throttles in Fenix/FBW/IniNeo to coincide with those. So I have a reverse range under Idle.

For the Boeings and such, I set a button as a Reverse toggle.

19 hours ago, bigifooti said:

Same setup here. Only finicky thing is to trigger an idle thrust. For me it requires a couple of taps instead of a hold. 

I am not interested in idle thrust reverse. When I fire up those beasts, I want them to roar!

4 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

You answered your own question! 

No, I don't understand why they only have buttons. It's absolutely unrealistic. I hope that you understand the issue here. Think about the ones that have a throttle lever for the reverser axis and can't be used because ASOBO refuses to fix it. The other sims have it both ways, and there is no issue at all. It is so disconcerting and dumb to be stubborn and not have it fixed.  

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

I am not interested in idle thrust reverse. When I fire up those beasts, I want them to roar!

I understand you like noise (;-)), and it is a nice game, but in real life, we use and modulate reversers from idle reverse to max reverse based on what we need. Some airports require minimal reverse thrust applications during quiet hours unless deemed necessary.

Edited November 6, 20241 yr by LRBS

I own a Virpil CM3 so physical detents for all throttle stages including reverse thrust. However, in order to take advtange of this depends on the developer. Devs like ini, Fenix and FBW have a throttle calibration that supports reverse on axis(properly). Others don't which requires me to map the reverse thrust enable to a button on my throttle.

I really would like if most devs did the former to fully utilise my throttle but is what it is.

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

No, I don't understand why they only have buttons. It's absolutely unrealistic. I hope that you understand the issue here. Think about the ones that have a throttle lever for the reverser axis and can't be used because ASOBO refuses to fix it. The other sims have it both ways, and there is no issue at all. It is so disconcerting and dumb to be stubborn and not have it fixed.  

ok I will repeat what you said again slowly:
 

i  fully..... understand...... having....... buttons....... for ....a ......game..... as..... such....

36 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

ok I will repeat what you said again slowly:
 

i  fully..... understand...... having....... buttons....... for ....a ......game..... as..... such....

I understand, you seem to want a debate. Best of luck with your approach.

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

I understand, you seem to want a debate. Best of luck with your approach.

I don't want a debate. It's a game not a sim. Or a sim game if you must. A SIM would have accurate RV. I KNOW how it works in real life.

4 hours ago, LRBS said:

No, I don't understand why they only have buttons. It's absolutely unrealistic. I hope that you understand the issue here. Think about the ones that have a throttle lever for the reverser axis and can't be used because ASOBO refuses to fix it. The other sims have it both ways, and there is no issue at all. It is so disconcerting and dumb to be stubborn and not have it fixed.  

He's trying to suck you into the "MSFS sucks because it's not a level-D sim" garbage, not looking for real discourse. You are, of course, correct. It should be configurable to either buttons or axes. The craptastic default controller config schema is why many of us use third-party assignment utilities like SPAD.neXt (which does allow you to assign anything you want to an axis).

4 hours ago, LRBS said:

I understand you like noise (;-)), and it is a nice game, but in real life, we use and modulate reversers from idle reverse to max reverse based on what we need. Some airports require minimal reverse thrust applications during quiet hours unless deemed necessary.

The real limitation here is the controllers. I have a Honeycomb Bravo, which not only has a reverser detent on the throttle axis, but also has jet handles with reverser handles built in. You'd think I'd have what I need, but both the detent and the handles are button-only. No axis. So I either have to set the button to deploy reverse thrust at X%, or I have to set the button to flip the regular throttle access so that pushing it forward increases reverse thrust.

Neither of these options are optimal. The former means I don't get to pick more or less rev-thrust if that's what the situation calls for, and the latter means I'm doing weirdly unrealistic things with the throttle on landing. And because sometimes a button press doesn't get picked up by the computer, I might think I triggered reverse, but it never triggered and am therefore trying to brake while at max throttle, or it doesn't detect when I try to drop out of reverse and then I can't smoothly taxi off the runway.

The controllers that have actual reverse thrust axes that function like real life ones AND have enough axes to control the engines, spoilers and flaps on a 4-engine jet are ungodly expensive and very hard to justify.

 

Edited November 6, 20241 yr by eslader

14 hours ago, sloppysmusic said:

I don't want a debate. It's a game not a sim. Or a sim game if you must. A SIM would have accurate RV. I KNOW how it works in real life.

Yes, but most of us here still want this "game" to simulate the real world as accurately as possible. The only reason that I use a button on my joystick for thrust reverse is because I have a very simple setup. If I had a proper throttle quadrant, I absolutely would want to be able to use the reverser levers like they do on the real plane.

2 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

If I had a proper throttle quadrant, I absolutely would want to be able to use the reverser levers like they do on the real plane.

Interesting point. After finally purchasing 2020 this year I got excited and thought about treating myself to a hardware MCP, force feedback yoke and motorised quadrant. 

Then I changed my mind after reading some manuals. 

Btw isn't it possible to hold a button and get some analog reverse going? Sure I read that somewhere. Of course suction is not the same as fully modeled reverse action, which is to be fair a complicated process to code. 

What I don't understand is that Asobe DO love to show off actual sim feature when they include one. All they need is an impressive video "Fully Realistic Reversers - Ours go up to 11" and both serious and casual users would enjoy it. 

Less seriously, from a gaming point of view fully controllable reversers would allow you to taxi BACKWARDS all around your favourite airport. Or... Do 3 point turns on that narrow taxiway lol.