1 hour ago, Lotharen said:

All of us moving over to 2024 are going to have to learn things all over again.

Indeed. It's like a totally brand new sim. You have to learn almost everything from scratch again. The good thing is that although it can be (very) frustrating now I am sure that within a few weeks I'll be using MSFS2024 as if I have been using it since 2020. People just need to be a bit more patient.

1 hour ago, MattNischan said:

A few notes for the launch version of the site:

Thanks for sharing this! Good to know what does and does not work. Now I know what to expect and what I will have to do in another way.

BTW For SB users: you can very easily copy the flightplan (the plan in text) into the MSFS2024 planner. Only tried it once up to now but after doing so it seemed the SID and STAR (which weren't copied along and had to be added manually) were added to the plan more like I am used to (and also once or twice by using the Automatic feature). The fact that by default the planner itself doesn't alter the plan after adding a SID and/or STAR will hopefully be addressed in the future.

Just to clarify, on the loading screen is it normal to get the Activating Packages. loading language, etc on every launch? Just wondering if I have a complete sim?

Just now, cchiozza said:

Just to clarify, on the loading screen is it normal to get the Activating Packages. loading language, etc on every launch? Just wondering if I have a complete sim?

Yes, it's normal. Seems a lot of people are thinking this has to do with the initial install (because it took hours yesterday) but actually the install itself went almost flawlessly for everyone: those percentages you see simply have to do with the sim loading stuff from the cloud. And this will be done each and every time. It just takes long (...) at this moment due to server issues. I have to say starting up the sim was done in a few minutes this morning: curious to see how things will be tonight.

Does anyone know how to load fuel via flight planner? I auto generated sample route KSAN KSEA but fuel shows 112 lbs (for 737 MAX) and I can't change it

6 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Does anyone know how to load fuel via flight planner? I auto generated sample route KSAN KSEA but fuel shows 112 lbs (for 737 MAX) and I can't change it

I also wondered about that. Perhaps you can't load it via the planner and you have to set the load manually. Somewhere... I also still have to figure out how to use the planner to figure out the proper load... but perhaps that's also not possible.

I have more questions than answers since the release of MSFS2024. 😉 

15 minutes ago, mistolip said:

The fact that by default the planner itself doesn't alter the plan after adding a SID and/or STAR will hopefully be addressed in the future.

Because this is a flight planner for more than just tubeliners, it can't really know your expectations or intentions here. It's totally possible someone is intending to want to fly in some wild direction as they're doing something other than point-to-point commercial operations. So, I'm not sure we want to automatically mangle someone's enroute segment when they change their SID or STAR, plus it's somewhat non-trivial to algorithmically determine exactly what to remove from the enroute.

That being said, what could be an option here we could add, would be some kind of enable/disable button/checkbox/something for procedurally generated enroute routing that would lock that segment and just always procedurally generate for whatever SID/STAR updates you make. Something we'll definitely discuss.

13 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Does anyone know how to load fuel via flight planner?

Is this with the in-sim EFB planner app or the web version? In the sim if you want to actually load fuel (as opposed to just plan it), you need to via the Aircraft app on the EFB.

For the web version, you can input an average fuel burn on the Route pane, by opening the Performance Options dropdown. As mentioned right now it's simple trip planning, with more comprehensive performance-based computations coming in a future update. The units there use the units you specify in the Options pane.

-Matt

5 minutes ago, MattNischan said:

That being said, what could be an option here we could add, would be some kind of enable/disable button/checkbox/something for procedurally generated enroute routing that would lock that segment and just always procedurally generate for whatever SID/STAR updates you make. Something we'll definitely discuss.

Something like that would be cool indeed. Would be very nice if the planner would somehow know you would like to plan a flight with SID and STAR (if possible for the airports and runways) so it would not only load the appropriate procedures but also the appropriate waypoints for it.

Like yesterday I tried to plan a flight from ENBR to ENGM. I started with letting the planner plot a flight but none of the waypoints were what I expected (which I now know is simply how it is right now!). From the top of my head: I was hoping take off would lead me to GOKAB and the procedural part of the approach would start with ADOPI. When I loaded the expected SID and STAR the original waypoints remained and made a total mess of my plan. 😉 

BTW I noticed that when I plotted a flight (automatically) in SimBrief and then copied that into the planner it could ad the appropriate procedures when pressing the Automatic button. If I recall correctly.

Anyway, long story short: would be cool if the planner could indeed make a logical use of procedures when 'auto-planning'.

@MattNischan Thank you for engaging us. I see the reasoning behind what you are saying now. It will take some time to get used to this new planner and how it handles things. I'm already learning and making adjustments. So far its been fantastic, I'm just old man grouching, lol.

24 minutes ago, mistolip said:

Anyway, long story short: would be cool if the planner could indeed make a logical use of procedures when 'auto-planning'.

One workaround for now: if you select your SID and STAR first, then hit Auto-Route for the enroute segment, it will route from the end of the SID to the end of the STAR.

We thought putting the Auto-Route button next to the enroute segment would make it obvious that it just really procedurally generates an enroute based on whatever else is presently in the other segments of your route, but it appears we missed the mark on that from the confusion we're seeing! We'll definitely take a look at that flow overall to see how we can make it more user-friendly and obvious.

26 minutes ago, Lotharen said:

So far its been fantastic, I'm just old man grouching, lol.

That's very kind and generous of you, thank you! And no worries, we do the same thing on our end, we're all big sim nerds here. 😅

-Matt

So far for me the planner is the only things that kinda works LOL MSFS2024 is unusuable for me right now due to (I suppose) server problems.

8 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

The only good thing it the LIDO charts, BUT these are missing all the SIDPT pages for the SIDs, so for example we have no departure route description and no initial climb altitudes.

A good thing if you exclusively fly tubes, but not so much for us GA folk.  LIDO charts only cover airports requested by their customers.  Their customers are commercial carriers.  Smaller airports, including some fairly sizeable GA relievers will not be covered.  With the advent of GPS, the number of approach procedures at smaller airports has increased dramatically, at least here in the US, and I love having them available.  And then there's the issue of 3rd party support.  The TDS GTNXi that I use in all of the planes I actively fly uses Navigraph/Jepp.  So do many other add-ons.

And while I realize that some like the LIDO layout, I still prefer Jepp.

Bottom line, while it's nice that '24 includes charts and an evolving planner, it's unlikely that I'll be dropping Navigraph (or Simbrief) any time soon.

Scott

Duplicate, pls ignore.

Edited November 20, 20241 yr by tttocs

Good to see official MSFS folks getting involved here. Steep learning curve on this flight planner. 

1. Is there a reason it makes you set your own cruising altitude? That is not really a preference value but a calculated value. Seems strange to start with that as the first step.

2. Shouldn’t it auto-determine departure and arrival runways based on METAR or ATIS?

3. Even when I load a PLN file, it doesn’t load the block fuel, cargo or passengers. Is this expected?

Based on a few attempts playing with it, this seems like it would be great for GA or VFR but are we limited to only using this to get important IFR flight planning data into the sim? So far I have not been able to do an actual simulated airline flight in 2024 either through the planner itself or by uploading a PLN which is a head scratcher. Appreciate all the hard work and look forward to future iterations!