12 hours ago, Vitold69 said:

I did. Didn't notice any changes in performance. The poor guy did something wrong to his system or program. 

 

I have a strange issue with Drzewiecki's RJAA and BATC. I can't get any ANA planes at the airport stands. There are ANA Cargo planes at stands and ANA passenger planes in the sky but not at the airport. Use both FSLTL and AIG AI planes with FSLTL priority.

This is what i get @ RJAA from DrZewiecki. Using BATC and FSLTL models only.

Edited January 19, 20251 yr by bbking

2 hours ago, bbking said:

This is what i get @ RJAA from DrZewiecki. Using BATC and FSLTL models only.

How many of ANA planes you have approx at airport stands?

On 1/18/2025 at 7:33 AM, Noel said:

Not an issue just reporting findings.

I take my own statement back 🙃.  BATC's performance load means I really have to use DLSS FG and quite frankly I still can't stand the strobing I get during taxi.  I use work arounds, like making my 2nd screen the focus, then the rate drops down to 32-33fps or so post landing into KLAS in the FBW320n and it's choppy and that never happens with FSLTL and its injector.   Even leaving FG on at 60 it's still choppy.  Perhaps I can try FSLTL's injector and see if that helps.  And I have BATC now down to level 2 traffic.  It is causing me to consider trying FSHud.  Does it have its own injector?

Edited January 19, 20251 yr by Noel

On 1/18/2025 at 5:15 AM, ConairMSFS said:

For comparison, at EDDF, with parking at 8, dep/arr at 9, BATC is using between 2.6% and 4% cpu and 1.3gb ram on my system (32gb DDR5 6800).

Task Manager seems hugely misleading on this.  Next time you're in a demanding spot remove any frame lock so wide open, then just turn BATC off.  I'm seeing 17-25% increase in frame rate and I'm only using Level 2 traffic density in BATC. 

@RJAA 8. @ this moment. I am downloading AIG models right now. So later on i will have FSLTL and AIG models with BATC. See how many ANA models are @RJAA.

5 hours ago, Noel said:

Task Manager seems hugely misleading on this.  Next time you're in a demanding spot remove any frame lock so wide open, then just turn BATC off.  I'm seeing 17-25% increase in frame rate and I'm only using Level 2 traffic density in BATC. 

The app is a total scam and garbage they tried to be the next FS traffic and they failed so horribly The thing is the app on your first try is going to be the best that you have ever seen and then on your second try or second session the performance will start deteriorate until it’s no longer acceptable. 
 

glad you learned your lesson noel besides FSLTL is 10 times better even with the same amount of traffic and if you’re thinking about getting your money back, you’re not 

10 hours ago, bbking said:

Using BATC and FSLTL models only.

 That default hybrid A330 snuck in there somehow.

20 hours ago, Vitold69 said:

Use both FSLTL and AIG AI planes with FSLTL priority.

Have you tried switching the priority around? FSLTL liveries use mostly resource eating 4k textures and the models have only 2 LODs which also chews into performance. AIG has some at 4k, but mostly 2k and have multiple LODS conforming with the MSFS SDK.

 My visit to DD RJAA, I had 48 aircraft on the field from batc set on all 7's with a 20fps loss which isn't a big deal. What I noticed missing most was cargo traffic, I only had 2 NCA 747's.

 As for ANA, I saw just 1, but I also think that ANA is far less than 10% of the NRT traffic load so I'm not expecting a huge presence.  If you want to see more ANA, go to Haneda.

 

Edited January 19, 20251 yr by Dave_YVR

2 hours ago, Aboodyking said:

The thing is the app on your first try is going to be the best that you have ever seen and then on your second try or second session the performance will start deteriorate until it’s no longer acceptable.  

I have never heard such nonsense

3 hours ago, Aboodyking said:

The app is a total scam and garbage they tried to be the next FS traffic and they failed so horribly The thing is the app on your first try is going to be the best that you have ever seen and then on your second try or second session the performance will start deteriorate until it’s no longer acceptable. 
 

glad you learned your lesson noel besides FSLTL is 10 times better even with the same amount of traffic and if you’re thinking about getting your money back, you’re not 

Well I learned some additional lessons as well.  I just did a pretty valid identical test between BATC w/ L2 traffic at FT's KLAS 100' after straight pushback out of B21, in the PMDG 738.  Along with BATC I run another substantial addon, Self Loading Cargo.   After GSX finished push and disappeared, frame rate settled to 38fps native.  And the comparator was leaving BATC off and instead using FSLTL's injector and after all was said and identically done frame rate settled to 39-40.  And yet BATC is managing all traffic.  So there really was not a meaningful difference in demand as I had FSLTL setup very much the same for numbers of planes.  I think the diff is explained by BATC adding the ATC piece which when you think about is only costing 1-2 fps?  

So now I've recommitted to DLSS FG locked at 60 when in the most demanding scenarios.  And I have found using NV Super Resolution w/ DLAA, unlocked, solves most of the visual aberrations I have problems with.  The strobing on high contrast tarmac that I find intolerable improves by 60-70% by unlocking the FPS rate cap of 60.  So I simply now taxi in and out unlocked, and once in the air or in low contrast tarmac and runway I reset the lock at 60fps with a keypress.  As well I have increased SecondaryScaling to 1.4 from 1.0 default, and decreased PrimaryScaling to 1.4 from 1.5 where I had it set.  With the NV filters I use and with all of the above configurations I have 99% of the image quality of TAA in native rendering so that is making DLSS FG attractive now.  

I can't relate to a lot of your comments and as for subsequent 'sessions' I always do a complete reboot of the PC between all flights.  So I don't see an deteriorating process per se.  Most of my angst has been around having to commit to DLSS Frame Generation but now I think it's tolerable visually on these settings, in fact it's excellent.  Maintaining a native rate of 30fps x 2 or 60fps is always easy to maintain w/ my configuration anywhere in any plane.  I was very much on the edge of being able to sustain my preferred native rate of 45, down to 40 in the most demanding scenarios.  Adding ATC on top just thru it over the edge is my conclusion.  So for now unless something changes I'll stick w/ BATC.  But I understand FSHud is a good thing as well.  Very nice to have good reliable ATC again it's been a very long time for me.

Edited January 20, 20251 yr by Noel

I rarely use Beyond ATC now because of the performance hit, especially in places like KMIA and KJFK. It’s nice to see a dynamic airport on approach but the hit on FPS is significant (30% drop). We’ll see how the Nvidia 5090 fairs against Beyond ATC. In all fairness, this has been my personal experience with traffic injection. I can’t speak for others.

Edited January 20, 20251 yr by Huascar

I did a BATC vs FSHud comparison at a few airports. It's tricky to get the same amount of aircraft, so consider this a very rough estimate (total aircraft differed by 10 at the most). 

Fenix A321 at gate cold and dark, 4K, FG, DLSS+DLAA, TLOD 100, noon, clear skies, AIG models.

FSHud 20/30 vs BATC 5-5-5-5

• MK Studios LSZH 85 / 84

• iniBuilds OMDB 59 / 62

• SceneryTR Design LTFM 80 / ? (BATC couldn't load the airport)

• WFSceneryStudio VHHH 92 / 92

• Drzewiecki RJAA 93 / 92

With heavy weather and other addons e.g. SLC, GSX etc, performance will be marginal at several large airports. Another thing is that I only waited for about 5 mins for things to settle. In my experience, performance is worse at a later stage e.g. when ready for taxi.

3 hours ago, Vitold69 said:

I have never heard such nonsense

Well, maybe you can check their discord and see the chat about the performance impact and see how many people are getting with that nonsense you think doesn’t exist. 
 

or maybe just maybe we can just watch some YouTube and see how they demonstrated their app it literally promises more than it delivers all I seen in the video is smooth rain and smooth flight. That’s a miracle now with the current condition of the app or unless they have their settings on low and their TLOD on 10 am I right? I mean, I talk to the guy who made those videos on discord he says he has a 4090 and I have a 4080 so what are we missing here? And I know they’re not the same GPU but even people with 4090s are complaining. 
 

maybe you’re OK with the lower FPS maybe you’re OK with 60 FPS or 80 FPS well for someone who achieve 100 110 FPS on regular basis and 105 to 95 on the worst case scenario that is just unacceptable to go back to 50 fps ???! While you could have FSLTL with the same number of planes and yet you never have the same performance hit how come ? 

1 hour ago, Huascar said:

I rarely use Beyond ATC now because of the performance hit, especially in places like KMIA and KJFK. It’s nice to see a dynamic airport on approach but the hit on FPS is significant (30% drop). We’ll see how the Nvidia 5090 fairs against Beyond ATC. In all fairness, this has been my personal experience with traffic injection. I can’t speak for others.

They are not admitting it everyone here is brainwashed by the BATC that they think that a performance hit with this magnitude should be acceptable ! 
 

FSLTL the app that inject the traffic to the MSFS engine literally has miles better performance than whatever is BATC is doing. 
 

and trust me it’s not just you go look on their discord they’re literally dodging questions about the performance or never answer them or answer them with a very basic explanation that you could just say to yourself when you’re hallucinating. 

2 hours ago, Noel said:

Well I learned some additional lessons as well.  I just did a pretty valid identical test between BATC w/ L2 traffic at FT's KLAS 100' after straight pushback out of B21, in the PMDG 738.  Along with BATC I run another substantial addon, Self Loading Cargo.   After GSX finished push and disappeared, frame rate settled to 38fps native.  And the comparator was leaving BATC off and instead using FSLTL's injector and after all was said and identically done frame rate settled to 39-40.  And yet BATC is managing all traffic.  So there really was not a meaningful difference in demand as I had FSLTL setup very much the same for numbers of planes.  I think the diff is explained by BATC adding the ATC piece which when you think about is only costing 1-2 fps?  

So now I've recommitted to DLSS FG locked at 60 when in the most demanding scenarios.  And I have found using NV Super Resolution w/ DLAA, unlocked, solves most of the visual aberrations I have problems with.  The strobing on high contrast tarmac that I find intolerable improves by 60-70% by unlocking the FPS rate cap of 60.  So I simply now taxi in and out unlocked, and once in the air or in low contrast tarmac and runway I reset the lock at 60fps with a keypress.  As well I have increased SecondaryScaling to 1.4 from 1.0 default, and decreased PrimaryScaling to 1.4 from 1.5 where I had it set.  With the NV filters I use and with all of the above configurations I have 99% of the image quality of TAA in native rendering so that is making DLSS FG attractive now.  

I can't relate to a lot of your comments and as for subsequent 'sessions' I always do a complete reboot of the PC between all flights.  So I don't see an deteriorating process per se.  Most of my angst has been around having to commit to DLSS Frame Generation but now I think it's tolerable visually on these settings, in fact it's excellent.  Maintaining a native rate of 30fps x 2 or 60fps is always easy to maintain w/ my configuration anywhere in any plane.  I was very much on the edge of being able to sustain my preferred native rate of 45, down to 40 in the most demanding scenarios.  Adding ATC on top just thru it over the edge is my conclusion.  So for now unless something changes I'll stick w/ BATC.  But I understand FSHud is a good thing as well.  Very nice to have good reliable ATC again it's been a very long time for me.

All of this shenanigans and this headache for 60fps and you don’t think you relate? Ok 👍 

 

fyi for an app that claims it’s controlling traffic that shouldn’t be happening But will flightsimmers ever learn ? Probably not.