47 minutes ago, Aboodyking said:

Well, maybe you can check their discord and see the chat about the performance impact and see how many people are getting with that nonsense you think doesn’t exist. 
 

or maybe just maybe we can just watch some YouTube and see how they demonstrated their app it literally promises more than it delivers all I seen in the video is smooth rain and smooth flight. That’s a miracle now with the current condition of the app or unless they have their settings on low and their TLOD on 10 am I right? I mean, I talk to the guy who made those videos on discord he says he has a 4090 and I have a 4080 so what are we missing here? And I know they’re not the same GPU but even people with 4090s are complaining. 
 

maybe you’re OK with the lower FPS maybe you’re OK with 60 FPS or 80 FPS well for someone who achieve 100 110 FPS on regular basis and 105 to 95 on the worst case scenario that is just unacceptable to go back to 50 fps ???! While you could have FSLTL with the same number of planes and yet you never have the same performance hit how come ? 

you cant compare fslt with batc or fs hud is differents things  this is not just a simple traffic injector who dont have spacial awareness, these addons are atc with traffic injector where they have to do much more process  is different generation one is the traffic logic of fsx that you depends of asobo and other is a external workaround due garbage asobo sdk  but you get much better  traffic logic, real aircrafts behavior etc, as you can see on the test above most this atc injectors have similar fps  cause cpu limitations not gpu like you talk  also cause msfs is a heavy cpu game so in nearly future hard to fix  until someone find a way to implement ai injection with good logic without losing fps at least with frame gen and lossless scalling if you get 30 fps base you can easily get 60-90 fps 

 

Edited January 20, 20251 yr by michael8

1 hour ago, michael8 said:

you cant compare fslt with batc or fs hud is differents things  this is not just a simple traffic injector who dont have spacial awareness, these addons are atc with traffic injector where they have to do much more process  is different generation one is the traffic logic of fsx that you depends of asobo and other is a external workaround due garbage asobo sdk  but you get much better  traffic logic, real aircrafts behavior etc, as you can see on the test above most this atc injectors have similar fps  cause cpu limitations not gpu like you talk  also cause msfs is a heavy cpu game so in nearly future hard to fix  until someone find a way to implement ai injection with good logic without losing fps at least with frame gen and lossless scalling if you get 30 fps base you can easily get 60-90 fps 

 

Lossless scaling on a 4080 is like a bumper sticker on a Ferrari absolutely no!
 

and fyi why I’m comparing it to fsltl is because it’s not optimized and runs with default msfs traffic engine but so I’m not gonna complain it’s limited, however for a dedicated app that claims it’s running everything outside the sim so it doesn’t comprise performance is abysmal and a far cry from what they have shown us on youtube with like silky smooth frames and  barely no stutters and a busy airport? What are we missing??????????? 
 

 

i don’t know how you people are so word not allowed and pathetic to think it’s okay to have such garbage performance in this day and age look at this video that features FT KLAS + the Fenix + the traffic everything !! And yet the frames are smooth than butter!! 
 

and there mo way that the sliders were less than 4 here in the video!!

58 minutes ago, Aboodyking said:

Lossless scaling on a 4080 is like a bumper sticker on a Ferrari absolutely no!
 

and fyi why I’m comparing it to fsltl is because it’s not optimized and runs with default msfs traffic engine but so I’m not gonna complain it’s limited, however for a dedicated app that claims it’s running everything outside the sim so it doesn’t comprise performance is abysmal and a far cry from what they have shown us on youtube with like silky smooth frames and  barely no stutters and a busy airport? What are we missing??????????? 
 

 

i don’t know how you people are so word not allowed and pathetic to think it’s okay to have such garbage performance in this day and age look at this video that features FT KLAS + the Fenix + the traffic everything !! And yet the frames are smooth than butter!! 
 

and there mo way that the sliders were less than 4 here in the video!!

you still talking about a gpu while is cpu limit you use frame gen or lossless scaling for fix cpu limited no gpu lol  cause you get 30 due cpu limit, your gpu help you to get  60-90 fps, i used fslt before these atc addons and is mess  due poor default traffic, so many go around, they dont care user plane and a lot of kore bugs, these atc  alone could work well but they are used at the same time in one of the most cou dependant game with a addon like fenix ini builds aircrafts which melt you cpu even pmdg is better on performance still heavy nothing to compare with other game,  im a developer (not in flight sim) but i know what i talking about the cpu limitations, in the video i dont know which cou have but i guess with a 9800x3d you be enough to have decent performance  with traffic settings at high and over 40-50 fps without fg

Edited January 20, 20251 yr by michael8

1 hour ago, Aboodyking said:

Lossless scaling on a 4080 is like a bumper sticker on a Ferrari absolutely no!
 

and fyi why I’m comparing it to fsltl is because it’s not optimized and runs with default msfs traffic engine but so I’m not gonna complain it’s limited, however for a dedicated app that claims it’s running everything outside the sim so it doesn’t comprise performance is abysmal and a far cry from what they have shown us on youtube with like silky smooth frames and  barely no stutters and a busy airport? What are we missing??????????? 
 

 

i don’t know how you people are so word not allowed and pathetic to think it’s okay to have such garbage performance in this day and age look at this video that features FT KLAS + the Fenix + the traffic everything !! And yet the frames are smooth than butter!! 
 

and there mo way that the sliders were less than 4 here in the video!!

Just because something runs outside the sim, doesn‘t mean it runs without your CPU and GPU. It only means it runs more efficiently. Keep in mind the fact that BATC controls the AI aircraft and they don‘t do all the stupid word not allowed things default traffic does, is because of calculations - BATC has to calculate things like separation or to prevent taxi collisions etc. So you must expect a peformance impact by logic. That said, considering all those calculations I still find it to run better than with the awful default traffic (with much less calculations), and I think that‘s an achievement in itself. 

9 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

 That default hybrid A330 snuck in there somehow.

Now with AIG models only and with traffic injector. Looks amazing now!

2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Just because something runs outside the sim, doesn‘t mean it runs without your CPU and GPU. It only means it runs more efficiently. Keep in mind the fact that BATC controls the AI aircraft and they don‘t do all the stupid word not allowed things default traffic does, is because of calculations - BATC has to calculate things like separation or to prevent taxi collisions etc. So you must expect a peformance impact by logic. That said, considering all those calculations I still find it to run better than with the awful default traffic (with much less calculations), and I think that‘s an achievement in itself. 

Explain what’s in the video. I have similar specs to the guy in the video. I have the same airport same plane and yet not the same performance I have like 30 to 40 performance hit I get it. There is some type of complex calculations but does the complexity costs this much ? It’s also worth mentioning that we had the same conversation back in discord yet you haven’t provided any evidence based answers. Not mentioning that video features the fenix before block 2 which means that fenix at the time was super performance hungry yet this video clearly shows an fps above at least 90fps which is achievement that we didn’t get to see at all. 
 

besides you guys haven’t actually helped anyone who came to you with performance issues you just kept explaining how great your app almost like you’re telling everyone to be grateful without actually addressing the issue that plagues the app and ruins so many flights. 
 

again explain how did you guys configure the pc in the vid like settings, permissions, windows version ,any nvidia control panel even the inspector, bios settings, any external apps to manage the PC( process lasso - bce, etc..) everything it doesn’t hurt at all even make surveys but probably you won’t do that sadly. 

2 hours ago, michael8 said:

you still talking about a gpu while is cpu limit you use frame gen or lossless scaling for fix cpu limited no gpu lol  cause you get 30 due cpu limit, your gpu help you to get  60-90 fps, i used fslt before these atc addons and is mess  due poor default traffic, so many go around, they dont care user plane and a lot of kore bugs, these atc  alone could work well but they are used at the same time in one of the most cou dependant game with a addon like fenix ini builds aircrafts which melt you cpu even pmdg is better on performance still heavy nothing to compare with other game,  im a developer (not in flight sim) but i know what i talking about the cpu limitations, in the video i dont know which cou have but i guess with a 9800x3d you be enough to have decent performance  with traffic settings at high and over 40-50 fps without fg

Why do i have to go to all this hassle just to get an app that i paid 60$ for which it promised me that it will be better performing than fsltl yet managed to cut my performance in half and buy another app for 7$ to make the other app just run ? What kind of logic is that ? word not allowed giving excuses is never a good sight 

2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Just because something runs outside the sim, doesn‘t mean it runs without your CPU and GPU. It only means it runs more efficiently. Keep in mind the fact that BATC controls the AI aircraft and they don‘t do all the stupid word not allowed things default traffic does, is because of calculations - BATC has to calculate things like separation or to prevent taxi collisions etc. So you must expect a peformance impact by logic. That said, considering all those calculations I still find it to run better than with the awful default traffic (with much less calculations), and I think that‘s an achievement in itself. 

“beyond atc, es bastante malo, promete más de lo que cumple, primero, se trataron de pasar de listos, vendiendo el producto como 2 paquetes, no, era en control de tráfico aéreo, como tal, y el otro era el paquete de trafico Al, cada uno, por alrededor de U$30, viendo que FS HUD, vendía, todo integrado por U$35 app, beyond ATC decidio liberar el paquete de tráfico Al, pero seguramente, muchos pagaron ese extra, por un producto que no merece ese valor en lo absoluto.

Además la caída en rendimiento es abismante, seteando el nivel de tráfico a 5, 50% de la capacidad de generación de Al Trafico, la bajada de FPS es de 12 a 16 aproximadamente. Pésimo rendimiento. Además en crucero, se nota mucho la ausencia de generación de tráfico Al, por parte de Beyond ATC, si te cruzas un avión en vuelo, quizás deberías jugar loteria!!!!

En definitiva, beyond ATC, dedo hacia abajo.

Ahora probaremos FS HUD, promete más, esperemos que cumpla más que Beyond ATC

beyond atc, it's pretty bad, it promises more than it delivers, first, they tried to be clever, selling the product as 2 packages, no, it was in air traffic control, as such, and the other was the traffic package Al, each, for around U$30, seeing that FS HUD, sold, all integrated by U$35 app, beyond

ATC decided to release the Al traffic package, but surely, many paid that extra, for a product that does not deserve that value at all.

Furthermore, the drop in performance is abysmal, setting the traffic level to 5, 50% of the Al Traffic generation capacity, the FPS drop is from aproximately 12 to 16. Terrible performance. Also when cruising, the absence of Al traffic generation by Beyond ATC is very noticeable, if you

meet a plane in flight, maybe you should play the lottery!!!!

In short, beyond ATC, finger down.

Now we will try FS HUD, it promises more, let's hope it delivers more than Beyond ATC” 

that’s an interesting comment on one of your videos that clearly showcases how the promises you guys made were not that honest if not true at all.. discord is just another story 

2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Just because something runs outside the sim, doesn‘t mean it runs without your CPU and GPU. It only means it runs more efficiently. Keep in mind the fact that BATC controls the AI aircraft and they don‘t do all the stupid word not allowed things default traffic does, is because of calculations - BATC has to calculate things like separation or to prevent taxi collisions etc. So you must expect a peformance impact by logic. That said, considering all those calculations I still find it to run better than with the awful default traffic (with much less calculations), and I think that‘s an achievement in itself. 

This poor guy too on facebook 

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Y6ZVQimps/

but you’ll still keep denying any performance issues because why not right ? 

I think we all get the point by now: BATC is a disappointment for you and you like to use words that aren't allowed. I love BATC on my 3.5 year old PC with a 3060Ti so I guess everyone has a different idea of what is good performance and what isn't. I never check my fps: perhaps you shouldn't either. Perhaps it's time to move on now. If I were you I'd go back to using FSLTL and get some enjoyment out of flightsimming because this endless moaning about BATC won't help you or anyone.

2 hours ago, bbking said:

Now with AIG models only and with traffic injector. Looks amazing now!

What injector are you using here because weird to see the JAL aircraft parking at that terminal  since they all use terminal 2

1 hour ago, mistolip said:

I think we all get the point by now: BATC is a disappointment for you and you like to use words that aren't allowed. I love BATC on my 3.5 year old PC with a 3060Ti so I guess everyone has a different idea of what is good performance and what isn't. I never check my fps: perhaps you shouldn't either. Perhaps it's time to move on now. If I were you I'd go back to using FSLTL and get some enjoyment out of flightsimming because this endless moaning about BATC won't help you or anyone.

I agree with you to a certain extent. 
i’m just gonna leave this for anyone who is going to buy the app in the future so they can know what they’re getting themselves into. 
 

The biggest disappointment is not just the performance. It’s the lack of transparency.

I decided long ago to stick with just one traffic fleet. BATC with a default setting of 5 on all sliders does a great job with injecting traffic and keeps MY sim smooth with plenty of AI to admire. Some users like to complicate things instead of using the KISS principle.

10 hours ago, Aboodyking said:

All of this shenanigans and this headache for 60fps and you don’t think you relate? Ok 👍 fyi for an app that claims it’s controlling traffic that shouldn’t be happening But will flightsimmers ever learn ? Probably not. 

Frame rate performance w/ FSLTL, without ATC, is almost identical to BATC's.   As a side point ultra smooth animation at 60fps is more than sufficient and fully satisfying.  Adding what it takes to not only control AI traffic and as well the user's plane accounts for the very small difference in performance.  There is no 'headache' nor shenanigans here, we're only learning what works to be able to cope with increasing loads from various addons that we add over time.  I don't think you're 'learning' much of anything other than that others see things differently than do you with regard to BATC.

2 minutes ago, Noel said:

Frame rate performance w/ FSLTL, without ATC, is almost identical to BATC's.   As a side point ultra smooth animation at 60fps is more than sufficient and fully satisfying.  Adding what it takes to not only control AI traffic and as well the user's plane accounts for the very small difference in performance.  There is no 'headache' nor shenanigans here, we're only learning what works to be able to cope with increasing loads from various addons that we add over time.  I don't think you're 'learning' much of anything other than that others see things differently than do you with regard to BATC.

Okay you’re absolutely 👍 💯