14 hours ago, Bond said:

I get way better performance with BATC vs FSLTL. Also better performance using Vulkan than DX11/OpenGL.

Do you have a sense which would be better w/ my hardware?  Maybe this is only available in the supporter version I don't think I've seen any ref to different graphics options

42 minutes ago, Aboodyking said:

I tried the app in the past, but caused me performance problems later 

Uh strange, maybe yyou can try ltest release, it-s working good removing stutters and fps drops.

 

Out of curiosity I watched the whole video you linked. If you care about your cpu, put back power limits by intel recommendations (307A/245A/253w, or 400/320/320 if you`re going liquid), and check all others settings too. As it is in that video it`s too agressive and may degrade your cpu, good for a 10 mins benchmark maybe, not for flightsims or everyday use. Pushing it to the limits just for some mhz more, or some more points in cinebench, may cause problems in everydays use.

You`d can try to monitor cpu cores, temps,gpu use,ram and vram usage with or without batc running, maybe it will help nailing down where the issue is too.

29 minutes ago, ConairMSFS said:

Uh strange, maybe yyou can try ltest release, it-s working good removing stutters and fps drops.

 

Out of curiosity I watched the whole video you linked. If you care about your cpu, put back power limits by intel recommendations (307A/245A/253w, or 400/320/320 if you`re going liquid), and check all others settings too. As it is in that video it`s too agressive and may degrade your cpu, good for a 10 mins benchmark maybe, not for flightsims or everyday use. Pushing it to the limits just for some mhz more, or some more points in cinebench, may cause problems in everydays use.

You`d can try to monitor cpu cores, temps,gpu use,ram and vram usage with or without batc running, maybe it will help nailing down where the issue is too.

I did tests and was monitoring them via HW info temperature , core usage , vram the works with separate test for FSLTL and a separate test for BATC i’m not seeing any temperature spikes or any limitations with both. 
 
I suspect memory, allocation/leak issues although BATC RAM usage doesn’t go above 1000mb even in intensive environments, I remember this exact same thing used to happen to me when FSLTL had memory issues and FBW’s Simbridge that has the same memory issues to this day because things will look fine at first but then deteriorate which can only indicate a strong memory issue. 

 

6 hours ago, Noel said:

Do you have a sense which would be better w/ my hardware?  Maybe this is only available in the supporter version I don't think I've seen any ref to different graphics options

The different graphics options to start beyondatc are not in the options page. You can find them in the beyondatc install directory. They are .bat files, you start batc with the .bat file you want, eg directx/opengl.

10 hours ago, Noel said:

Do you have a sense which would be better w/ my hardware?  Maybe this is only available in the supporter version I don't think I've seen any ref to different graphics options

You have better hardware than I do(5800X3D,7900XTX), you should not be experiencing any problems.
Try changing core engines.
https://wiki.beyondatc.net/knowledge-base/core-engine/

Edited January 18, 20251 yr by Bond

10 hours ago, Noel said:

Do you have a sense which would be better w/ my hardware?  Maybe this is only available in the supporter version I don't think I've seen any ref to different graphics options

Don't know why your having so much issues  since your  have a way better pc specs than i have, which i have listed in my signature section.

Edited January 18, 20251 yr by pete_auau

10 hours ago, Aboodyking said:

I did tests and was monitoring them via HW info temperature , core usage , vram the works with separate test for FSLTL and a separate test for BATC i’m not seeing any temperature spikes or any limitations with both. 
 
I suspect memory, allocation/leak issues although BATC RAM usage doesn’t go above 1000mb even in intensive environments

 

For comparison, at EDDF, with parking at 8, dep/arr at 9, BATC is using between 2.6% and 4% cpu and 1.3gb ram on my system (32gb DDR5 6800).

 

Anyway, by my experience my idea is still the same, if you overclocked and/or set up your bios as in that video, start by fixing that, and running sim+batc with a stable system. Those settings are quite unsafe. You can easily get higer performance and cb points with a stable 5.7/5.8ghz at a max of 1.4v (but may go lower) on a 13900ks, than with higer freqs. You have a good cpu, but requires some work to set it up correctly.

Out of curiosity, what temps, core vid and cores freqs do you see in hwinfo during gaming?

 

Edited January 18, 20251 yr by ConairMSFS

4 hours ago, pete_auau said:

Don't know why your having so much issues  since your  have a way better pc specs than i have, which i have listed in my signature section.

I'm not having so much issue Pete.  I referred to one arrival at KLAS where frame rate dropped way lower than it ever does there and when shutting BATC down the rate restored to what's typical.  My particular issue is that I prefer to run w/o frame generation and since starting BATC that's no longer possible with having poor performance in scenarios where I have never had to deal with that, and that included using FSLTL's injector.  One reason is probably that I had FSLTL's injector keeping traffic a little lighter.  So probably need to dial BATC's down to level 2 or so on its sliders.  Still getting acquainted.

Just now FG-FPS w/ BATC on during taxi into KIND in the PMDG 738 was right at 104.  Immediately after BATC was shut down increased to 136.  So that is around a 24% impact on FG-FPS with traffic set only at Level 2 except for Enroute at 4.  Not an issue just reporting findings.

Edited January 18, 20251 yr by Noel

8 hours ago, ConairMSFS said:

For comparison, at EDDF, with parking at 8, dep/arr at 9, BATC is using between 2.6% and 4% cpu and 1.3gb ram on my system (32gb DDR5 6800).

 

Anyway, by my experience my idea is still the same, if you overclocked and/or set up your bios as in that video, start by fixing that, and running sim+batc with a stable system. Those settings are quite unsafe. You can easily get higer performance and cb points with a stable 5.7/5.8ghz at a max of 1.4v (but may go lower) on a 13900ks, than with higer freqs. You have a good cpu, but requires some work to set it up correctly.

Out of curiosity, what temps, core vid and cores freqs do you see in hwinfo during gaming?

 

I see variable core vid pf about 1.34 to 1.38 during gaming and temps are in check. 
 

mind you I didn’t copy exactly all the settings from the video just took a couple of ideas and did some research afterwards ( tom’s hardware, techpowerup , linus fourms , reddit , intel recommendations ) and much more. 
 

for me the problem is not CPU usage nor ram usage is just how performance deteriorates after traffic gets injected batc (1.58 or 1.5.8 i guess ) version has the same issue but worse after the recent update which included some memory related allocation issues performance is certainly improved but still performance deteriorates which means the issue is still somewhat ongoing. 

Has anybody tried a different core engine with better performance? 

I'm getting quite decent performance in some places but not so good in others. The worst so far has been Aerosoft's EDDF and Drzewiecki'sRJAA

2 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Has anybody tried a different core engine with better performance? 

I'm getting quite decent performance in some places but not so good in others. The worst so far has been Aerosoft's EDDF and Drzewiecki'sRJAA

I did. Didn't notice any changes in performance. The poor guy did something wrong to his system or program. 

 

I have a strange issue with Drzewiecki's RJAA and BATC. I can't get any ANA planes at the airport stands. There are ANA Cargo planes at stands and ANA passenger planes in the sky but not at the airport. Use both FSLTL and AIG AI planes with FSLTL priority.

Edited January 19, 20251 yr by Vitold69

On 1/16/2025 at 11:08 PM, Aboodyking said:

 

3 weeks ago i purchased Beyond ATC, and the performance has been significantly worse than expected. My system specs should make performance a non-issue:

• GPU: RTX 4080
• RAM: 64GB DDR6
• CPU: Intel i9-13900KS
• Display: 3440 x 1440 ultrawide

Despite this, Beyond ATC cuts my performance in half. For reference, I typically get around 100 FPS at major airports using FSLTL or FS Traffic, but Beyond ATC completely tanks my FPS.

Here’s what I’ve tried:

• Reinstalled Windows, motherboard BIOS, and MSFS 2020.
• Disabled base ATC and AI traffic in MSFS, as recommended in their knowledge base.
• Ran the app in admin mode.
• Kept my Community folder clean and tested only with the PMDG 737 at Dubai ( inibuilds ) 

Even with the most recent update this week, the performance is still terrible. Running the app with settings reduced to levels 2 or 3 makes no difference. I've done extensive research, troubleshooting, and tried every possible solution for nearly three weeks now.

What’s frustrating is how Beyond ATC seems far more demanding than FSLTL or FS Traffic, both of which use similar traffic injection methods but deliver much better performance and compatibility.

If anyone from Beyond ATC sees this, please only respond if you have useful help or information. Criticism is often met defensively, which just adds fuel to the fire.

At this point, I’m considering returning the app if things don’t improve, as the performance impact is unacceptable. It’s a shame for an app to cause such a dramatic drop in performance on a system like mine.

If anyone in the AVSIM community has solutions or insights, I’d greatly appreciate your recommendations.

Are you using VR?

8 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Has anybody tried a different core engine with better performance? 

I'm getting quite decent performance in some places but not so good in others. The worst so far has been Aerosoft's EDDF and Drzewiecki'sRJAA

I did as stated earlier i read their whole knowledge base

26 minutes ago, AGuther said:

Are you using VR?

No 

5 hours ago, Vitold69 said:

I did. Didn't notice any changes in performance. The poor guy did something wrong to his system or program. 

 

I have a strange issue with Drzewiecki's RJAA and BATC. I can't get any ANA planes at the airport stands. There are ANA Cargo planes at stands and ANA passenger planes in the sky but not at the airport. Use both FSLTL and AIG AI planes with FSLTL priority.

If only everyone had your common sense the world would be 100 times better..