A350 iniBuilds - catastrophic release as never seen before

[mpo910]

3 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

In order to ensure that an add-on or sim platform meets the level of quality *you* seek, best to wait rather than buy blindly on release day or the initial early days isn't it?. Otherwise yes, you are completely going on the words of the developer aren't you? What the developer considers sufficient release quality for initial release may or may not be the same as what you seek.

Do you have the ini A350 btw?
 

Please lets keep it respectfful.....

different people and different opinions.....

We are ALL in one boat (or plane)......or different planes but one sim LoL

 

[Simon_C]

2 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

What the developer considers sufficient release quality for initial release

In high quality flight simulator aircraft market (where big boy makers like PMDG, Fenix, FSLabs, for airliners, play), if you are positioning yourself, what ini is actually doing with A350 now, you better know well what you are doing. Just going for "sufficient" won't get you far. Either they are playing with their own reputation or they are just genuinely clueless.

[lwt1971]

Just now, Simon_C said:

In high quality flight simulator aircraft market (where big boy makers like PMDG, Fenix, FSLabs, for airliners, play), if you are positioning yourself, what ini is actually doing with A350 now, you better know well what you are doing. Just going for "sufficient" won't get you far. Either they are playing with their own reputation or they are just genuinely clueless.

Right, so as I've already said repeatedly above, the market will speak, and iniBuilds will either be impacted or not.
 

[lwt1971]

4 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

Please lets keep it respectfful.....

different people and different opinions.....

We are ALL in one boat (or plane)......or different planes but one sim LoL

 

Umm can you point out what exact combination of words you found not "respectful" below? Yes of course we are all voicing different opinions.

In order to ensure that an add-on or sim platform meets the level of quality *you* seek, best to wait rather than buy blindly on release day or the initial early days isn't it?. Otherwise yes, you are completely going on the words of the developer aren't you? What the developer considers sufficient release quality for initial release may or may not be the same as what you seek.
Do you have the ini A350 btw?
 

Edited March 10 by lwt1971

[mpo910]

1 minute ago, Simon_C said:

In high quality flight simulator aircraft market (where big boy makers like PMDG, Fenix, FSLabs, for airliners, play), if you are positioning yourself, what ini is actually doing with A350 now, you better know well what you are doing. Just going for "sufficient" won't get you far. Either they are playing with their own reputation or they are just genuinely clueless.

Yes. IniBuilds needs to reflect and adopt, change and deliver again, now only better. That is growth and continious improvement.

 

[mpo910]

Just now, lwt1971 said:

you are completely going on the words of the developer aren't you?

 

Just now, lwt1971 said:

Do you have the ini A350 btw?

I "smell" slightly aggressive way of communicating here....but my nose MAY be burned....:-).

If you find to be respectful and let opinions be opinions and stay next to eachother.....then I said nothing.

[mpo910]

I am off to bed now...

Thanks to all of you sharing your thoughts and opinions. I do respect them ALL and find it nice to learn from all your different views. 

(other opinions are warm welcomed as well while I am sleeping....I will read them all tomorow....when trying the A350 again...without TCAS to see if that goes well then....as a work around. 🙂

Cheers from my hangar in EDDF

[LRBS]

32 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

In order to ensure that an add-on or sim platform meets the level of quality *you* seek, best to wait rather than buy blindly on release day or the initial early days isn't it?. Otherwise yes, you are completely going on the words of the developer aren't you? What the developer considers sufficient release quality for initial release may or may not be the same as what you seek.

Do you have the ini A350 btw?
 

It's incredible how quickly you are to defend or dismiss certain developers' wrongdoing. 

 

While I agree with you, (What the developer considers sufficient release quality for initial release may or may not be the same as what you seek.
) that's no excuse for what is going on today with so many bugs at the release date.

I'd like you to pay attention to my statement about the A350. If you noticed, I'm not talking about them.

Oh, I forgot, you can't have an honest discussion; you're too preoccupied with arguing and ignoring the obvious. Keep defending the wrongdoing and poor quality of certain products while others are pretty good.

Edited March 10 by LRBS

[mpo910]

5 minutes ago, LRBS said:

Oh, I forgot, you can't have an honest discussion; you're too preoccupied with arguing and ignoring the obvious. Keep defending the wrongdoing and poor quality of certain products while others are pretty good.

I would like to see it kept a bit more "peaceful".....

Maybe you want to join the Club of people who are able to share opinions without "shooting" at others... I would be happy at least. 

😉 

[lwt1971]

1 minute ago, LRBS said:

It's incredible how quickly you are to defend or dismiss certain developers' wrongdoing. 

 

While I agree with you, that's no excuse for what is going on today with so many bugs at the release date.

I'd like you to pay attention to my statement about the A350. 

Oh, I forgot, you can't have an honest discussion; you're too preoccupied with arguing and ignoring the obvious. Keep defending the wrongdoing and poor quality of certain products while others are pretty good.

Try if you can to have a discussion without being dramatic. By the same token, I can say it's incredible how you are quick to dump on developers whome you have a history of not liking or have an axe to grind with 🙂 The developers end up doing what the majority of the market is ok with, and perhaps what the majority of the market is ok with is what you're not happy about 🤷‍♂️

Just because I'm not constantly whining about developers like you and some others doesn't mean I'm "excusing so many bugs at the release date". I'm pragmatic, and will jump in to adopt a flight sim platform or add-on when and if it's ready enough for what I consider useful.

I forgot you can't have an honest discussion either.
 

[mpo910]

16 minutes ago, LRBS said:

Oh, I forgot, you can't have an honest discussion;

 

6 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

I forgot you can't have an honest discussion either.

You both seems very forgetable.....

Hope you are doing well?

Ok. So, I asked both of you already to keep it more peacefull because I do not want to have a topic going down the drain because two are shooting at each other. 

I would be really happy, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart!, if you both would respect each other without shooting eachother. We have sarcasm outside our hobby, haven´t we? 

Come on...its a sim and a hobby.....and we all have somehting in common....even you both have I assume.

 

[Boomer]

Biggest problem and cause of buggy releases is, IMHO, lack of beta testers.

DCS is particularity notorious for this.  I do not know who their beta testers are, but theres either not enough or they are incompetent.  And its darn near impossible to to help...I myself have volunteered repeatedly over the years to help and been ignored.

[Boomer]

1 hour ago, Simon_C said:

In high quality flight simulator aircraft market (where big boy makers like PMDG, Fenix, FSLabs, for airliners, play), if you are positioning yourself, what ini is actually doing with A350 now, you better know well what you are doing. Just going for "sufficient" won't get you far. Either they are playing with their own reputation or they are just genuinely clueless.

Yes, Ini pricing is on a par with the latest PMDG, andso we have a right expect stable and almost bug free software at these prices.  Not enough or incompetent beta testers Id bet is the root issue.

[Tuskin38]

I've also done 10+ flights, two of them 12+ hours with no WASM crashes, yes I use traffic and TCAS. I am using BTAC though with the sliders at 50%

 

People were saying in the main thread that the PMDG 777 would also sometimes WASM freeze with TCAS and a lot of traffic. So if two aircraft from two different developers have the same issue, it might not be an aircraft issue, but maybe a sim issue.

Edited March 11 by Tuskin38

[Boomer]

I have the PMDG 773 for MSFS20202 and NEVER any CTD.