49 minutes ago, psolk said:

I use: ctrl+alt+0-9 to save the view and the alt+0-9 to recall the view. 

This isn't working for me either.  I can see no conflicts with those key combinations, but nothing happens when I use them!  

3 hours ago, psolk said:

Once I've got the view setup however,  I use: ctrl+alt+0-9 to save the view and the alt+0-9 to recall the view. 

What is difference between that and IFR Pilot CTRL+F9 or Landing PIlot CTRL+F11?  

Thank you!

"VFR/IFR/Landing Pilot Views" are the default camera views used with every aircraft. I personally prefer them over the “Custom Camera” views you are referring to because the VFR/IFR/Landing Pilot views used to behave more consistently in the MSFS 2020 environment when saving view modifications or when switching between different cockpit views. But it's more a force of habit, so if the “Custom Camera” views work for you, you can of course use them too.

Edited April 21, 20251 yr by Ohmsquare

1 hour ago, Ohmsquare said:

"VFR/IFR/Landing Pilot Views" are the default camera views used by every aircraft. I personally prefer them over the “Custom Camera” you are referring to because the VFR/IFR/Landing Pilot views used to behave more consistently in the MSFS 2020 environment when saving view modifications or when switching between different cockpit views. But in my case it's more a force of habit, so if the “Custom Camera” views work for you, you can of course use them too.

Thank you again...  This is such a critical topic for me personally. 

I am a stickler for FOV.  In my race sime it is literally a 1:1 exact replica of my real car.  Steering wheel on the screen is the same as my real car, FOV is absolutely essential.   Being able to pick out critical points and having them align to the real world is absolutely essential when I'm using it as a training device to learn a track, brake markers, apexes etc.   Having something appear farther away and getting used to that then suddenly getting in a real car and all of a sudden it "feels" different means re-training your hand-eye coordination.  Especially when your brake marker is a crack in the pavement...  That sim is next level though, brake pedal has the same hydraulic pressure as the real car to activate ABS, pedals are same distance to the seat and same spacing from each other, wheel is a replica of the real car, real windscreen is 51 inches, 49 inches viewable, I have a 49 inch monitor, it is pretty much an exact 1:1 replica.  Even seat distance to the monitor is the same as the front windscreen.  So having an accurate FOV is critical or the rest of it is all a waste. 

If you want something to "feel" faster you drive a faster car, you don't distort the view of the track to fool your brain.  

For me that same OCD attention to detail carried over to flightsim.  My yoke on screen is the same as my physical yoke, display screens on a 737NG and 777 have a viewable screen size of 6.6 inches, on my monitor the displays are 6.6 inches LOL.  I want everything to be as realistic as possible.  In the old 20-30FPS days things happened slowly, in the 60-120FPS days with Lossless scaling takeoff and landings feel fast now, there is an actual sensation of speed.  Don't need to distort the world for a sensation of speed!

I mean if FOV wasn't intended to be accurate there wouldn't be multiple mathematical equations to come up with the same results.  2+2 will always equal 4 and the same numbers in an FOV calculator will always give the same results.  I understand people have to compromise for screen size but for me having an accurate FOV is the basis for determining how realistic everything else in the sim becomes...   

Thank you again @Ohmsquare 

Just set this up in the PMDG 737 cockpit. It's great that you can use the IFR Pilot key (F9) to toggle between the default FOV and the corrected FOV.

An added bonus is that I didn't realise the IFR Pilot view is an easy way to keep a custom eye position for each aircraft. I get a much better view of the overhead panel now when I pan up 🙂

 

If you save the corrected FOV to both IFR Pilot and VFR Pilot you can use custom views without returning the FOV to default when you use 'reset cockpit view'.

 

Not sure I am getting this right.

I am at work so I may have the MSFS number wrong, but that really does not matter.

FOV Calculator = 37

MSFS number from camera infos = 84.0 (could be wrong, but that is ok.)

THIS IS WHERE I GET CONFUSED.

 

84 x 57.3 = 48.132

37 / 57.3 = .646

“increase (or decrease) the Zoom level in the Camera Panel until the “Fov” value displayed on screen matches.”

Matches what number ???

2 hours ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

Matches what number ???

The .646

ok Thanks. but then, why do I care about this

Under "Camera Infos" overlay (at least in MSFS 2024) you can find the vertical “Fov” value of the currently used camera view

If all I need is the number from the modern FOV calculator

 

 

2 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

ok Thanks. but then, why do I care about this

Under "Camera Infos" overlay (at least in MSFS 2024) you can find the vertical “Fov” value of the currently used camera view

If all I need is the number from the modern FOV calculator

 

 

Are you sure you are picking up the FOV number? The 84 doesn’t feel like it’s right, my number was more around 1.0 which I subsequently reduced to about 0.6 which I calculated by diving the FOV by 57.3. 

26 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

ok Thanks. but then, why do I care about this

Under "Camera Infos" overlay (at least in MSFS 2024) you can find the vertical “Fov” value of the currently used camera view

If all I need is the number from the modern FOV calculator

 

 

I made some notes, these may help.

Open Modern FOV Calculator
Configure the Input values
Note the correct Vertical Field of View (vFOV) for a 27” single display is 37°

Start a flight (do not change the view)
Enable ‘Developer Mode’
From the Developer Mode menu, select ‘Debug > Aircraft > Camera Blend’
Find the FOV on the screen (in this example ‘0.865’ radians)

To get the current vFOV, multiply 0.865 x 57.3 = 49.56
The realistic vFOV (from the calculator) = 37

To get the realistic vFOV in radians, divide 37 by 57.3 = 0.645

From the sim top menu, select the ‘Camera’ menu
Note the ‘ZOOM LEVEL’ is 50 (it is always 50, ignore this value)
Adjust the ZOOM LEVEL until the FOV shown on the screen matches the realistic vFOV (0.645)

You have now achieved the correct FOV, but the view might be too close to the windshield. To correct this, use the translate cockpit view commands to adjust the eye position, (this will not change the FOV).

Once the eye position is as desired, press CTRL + F9 to save the view as ‘IFR Pilot View’. Note that this setting is unique for each aircraft.

If you use a custom view, the FOV will revert to default and you have to re-toggle IFR Pilot View (F9), a workaround is to save the view as both IFR Pilot View and VFR Pilot View, then the FOV will remain constant.

That helps and makes sense, except if I never use this number.

To get the current vFOV, multiply 0.865 x 57.3 = 49.56

Why do I calculate it.

Sorry if I am being dense

18 minutes ago, flyingscampi said:

I made some notes, these may help.

Open Modern FOV Calculator
Configure the Input values
Note the correct Vertical Field of View (vFOV) for a 27” single display is 37°

Start a flight (do not change the view)
Enable ‘Developer Mode’
From the Developer Mode menu, select ‘Debug > Aircraft > Camera Blend’
Find the FOV on the screen (in this example ‘0.865’ radians)

To get the current vFOV, multiply 0.865 x 57.3 = 49.56
The realistic vFOV (from the calculator) = 37

To get the realistic vFOV in radians, divide 37 by 57.3 = 0.645

From the sim top menu, select the ‘Camera’ menu
Note the ‘ZOOM LEVEL’ is 50 (it is always 50, ignore this value)
Adjust the ZOOM LEVEL until the FOV shown on the screen matches the realistic vFOV (0.645)

You have now achieved the correct FOV, but the view might be too close to the windshield. To correct this, use the translate cockpit view commands to adjust the eye position, (this will not change the FOV).

Once the eye position is as desired, press CTRL + F9 to save the view as ‘IFR Pilot View’. Note that this setting is unique for each aircraft.

If you use a custom view, the FOV will revert to default and you have to re-toggle IFR Pilot View (F9), a workaround is to save the view as both IFR Pilot View and VFR Pilot View, then the FOV will remain constant.

This is exactly it:)

23 minutes ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

That helps and makes sense, except if I never use this number.

To get the current vFOV, multiply 0.865 x 57.3 = 49.56

Why do I calculate it.

Sorry if I am being dense

You don't have to calculate it, this is just to show the conversion factor between radians and degrees.

Edited April 22, 20251 yr by Ohmsquare

1 hour ago, flyingscampi said:

Once the eye position is as desired, press CTRL + F9 to save the view as ‘IFR Pilot View’. Note that this setting is unique for each aircraft.

This is driving me crazy!

I have checked Ctrl+F9 is mapped to 'save IFR Pilot view' (no conflicts with other commands).  I set up the correct FOV as described then press Ctrl+F9.  I exit the sim and later re-load, but Alt+F9 (set to load IFR pilot view)  does not return me to the saved view.  I have tried the 'reset IFR view too.

Nothing I try saves the new view!

5 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

This is driving me crazy!

I have checked Ctrl+F9 is mapped to 'save IFR Pilot view' (no conflicts with other commands).  I set up the correct FOV as described then press Ctrl+F9.  I exit the sim and later re-load, but Alt+F9 (set to load IFR pilot view)  does not return me to the saved view.  I have tried the 'reset IFR view too.

Nothing I try saves the new view!

I share your frustration.  Maybe just another part of the sim that is broken?