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I'm about to make the big switch to FSX and a new system. I want to do it right, and one suggestion I heard from someone at the AVSIM convention in Virginia was to have a separate hard drive for just FSX and all its addons, scenery, etc. Is this a good idea?? Any other tips or suggestions on making this go right for me would surely be appreciated. I definitely want as smooth performance as I can get. Thanks. Tom

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This is how I've done FS9 and FSX on this newer computer. I think it has made a difference, but since I've never had either FS on the same drive on THIS computer makes it hard to say how dramatic a difference it is. No matter what, it is a better way to go for a variety of reasons.BTW, make sure, when you install FSX on your computer that you change the path to your non-OS drive. I installed FSX for the first time last month and the install screen for the path to your drive is easy to miss. I've been using computers for ages and missed that screen entirely. Maybe I'm just ADD, but the way the screen looks, it's not the same as other installers. I screwed my install up bigtime because I wanted FSX on my second drive like I have with FS9. Well, I missed the path screen and it installed to my OS drive. Once I realized this it was too late IMO. I tried to move the install, but the registry tags were in the hundreds at least. So, I uninstalled FSX and attempted to reinstall to my second drive. What a nightmare. It wouldn't allow me too and the result was endless errors and problems. It took hours to fix. I had to restore my registry to the previous day, which I set in case of a problem like that. The MS fix wouldn't work, nor would any other fix I'd read online. After I got rid of one error another would pop-up. What a mess FSX is to reinstall or fix.

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Tom -The smartest guy in the FS setup/tweaking business says you put FSX on the same drive as the OS! No debate!Bruce

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I am MOST surprised at that !I have the OS {V 64} on C, FSX on D and Sceneries on E.These are all separate drives, SATA2 separate channels, not partitions. The OS drive needs to be defragged regularly, but the FSX drive only needs defragging after some additions are added and my scenery drive {GenX} + other Photo sceneries eg VFR London etc has not needed a further defrag after installation of all. I used Folder/Filename and wouldn't change my system to anything else. I only use this PC for "Flight Simming" so there is no other software resident.Regards,M.

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M -That was his very first statement! (I had FSX on a 10k Raptor all by itself!)My new rig is totally dedicated to FSX also! Nothing else on it.Bruce

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I have found FS2004 works best on a separate physical hard drive from the OSYet FSX works best on the same physical hard drive and partition as the OS.I've seen this and tested FSX both ways on Vista Ultimate and XP Pro.I have no idea why the difference or why it works opposite with the different versions. But that is my experience.

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I am laughing a bit at the "smartest guy" thing. You don't have to be smart to be right. I have more degrees than my wife, but she's always right. Hmm, reading that makes me wonder if I am not as smart as I think I am... probably not. Time to go back to school...I reccommend putting FSX on its own drive, if you can. It doesn't hurt anything to do so. It won't get clogged up as Windows implacably gets larger and larger on your hard drive. And if you have to wipe your OS disk, you won't lose FSX. The last point was a scenario that happened to me. I decided that I could spring for another drive, installed it, and re-installed FSX. In terms of loading times and performance, I didn't notice any big improvements, but I did lose some stutters that I am told happen when FSX and the OS make calls on the same hard disk at the same time. Jeff ShylukAssitant Managing EditorSenior Staff ReviewerAVSIM

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I think the reason that was said was because with modern hard drives, it doesn't make that big of a difference where FSX is installed, for most users.I'll gladly be keeping my FSX install on a separate physical hard drive no matter what the smartest person says. Maybe because I am dumber than the smartest person. There is no beating a VelociRaptor or Raptor with 1 single partition, to run FSX on. Well....unless you want to do a quality RAID with the right stripe size, but that's a whole other matter. ;)RhettFS box: E8500 (@ 3.80 ghz), AC Freezer 7 Pro, ASUS P5E3 Premium, BFG 8800GTX 756 (nVidia 169 WHQL), 4gb DDR3 1600 Patriot Cas7 7-7-7-20 (2T), PC Power 750, WD 150gb 10000rpm Raptor, Seagate 500gb, Silverstone TJ09 case, Vista Ultimate 64ASX Client: AMD 3700+ (@ 2.6 ghz), 7800GT

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OK guys. It seems the vote goes to a separate drive. I never thought about the idea that if something goes wrong with the master OS drive at least I won't lose FS and all its separate addons. Thanks for the advice, tom

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>I have found FS2004 works best on a separate physical hard>drive from the OS>>Yet FSX works best on the same physical hard drive and>partition as the OS.>>I've seen this and tested FSX both ways on Vista Ultimate and>XP Pro.>>I have no idea why the difference or why it works opposite>with the different versions. But that is my experience.>I agree with you, after testing it both ways also. FSX on the same drive as OS, FS9 on a separate drive is the best way to go.

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Jeff! (tongue in cheeck post here on from me)After reading your post I'm much more interested in your wife's opinion on the matter.. ;)>You don't have to be smart to be right. I have more degrees than my>wife, but she's always right. Now surely you would not imply your wife's not smart? Somehow that does not seem to be right. But your wife's always right, right?!>Hmm, reading that makes me wonder if I am not as smart as I think I >am... probably not. Maybe, but it seems you are right now..I'd better stop now as I'm getting lost and that would not be smart.Back on topic. My FSX is on the same drive as my OSCheers,Gerhard

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If we're going to drift off topic, and I am responsible for it, then I say we drift waaay off topic.Of course my wife is smarter than I am. She has very rightly corrected me on the errors of my reasoning. That, and although I have more degrees than my wife, she has more certifications. It's actually a raw point in our house and that you for pouring salt into that wound (smile). When we first moved in together, we had a devil of a time deciding how to split the household chores. Washing the dishes ended up at the bottom of both of our to-do lists. In a flash of brilliance, I suggested that whoever has the most academic credentials gets to avoid washing the dishes. After all, it's the most menial of work, and so should go to the most menial person in our relationship. Well, she hated that, but my logic was inescapable. Until, of course, her work offered here a number of paid certification programs. I've tried to keep up, but I'm not that studious. My compromise was to fork out for a really expensive top-of-the-line Asko dishwasher. The dishes are clean, but the hole in the budget that the Asko has made means that I won't be ordering from PMDG for a while. And now you know, and knowing is half the battle.(I apologise for derailing this thread, and I hereby return it to its interesting topic in --- three, two, one, now.)Jeff ShylukAssistant Managing EditorSenior Staff ReviewerAVSIM

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Wait a sec, guys, whatever the merits of keeping FSX on a second drive for performance issues, a hosed OS is not a reason to do it. Think about it----where does the Registry live? With the OS. Where do the thousands of install bits get written? The registry. Ergo hosed registry=hosed FSX (and addons).

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I just bought a new drive and installed only FSX on it. So far I don't see any difference. Still get the same stutters in high FPS areas and have to limit the FPS in those areas to smooth it out.I was running out of storage space so I had to do it. Now that I have a dedicated drive for FSX, my primary disc drive that has my operating system on it will not get such a thrashing constantly loading scenery for hours a day.

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The big advantage with a separate drive or partition is that the System partition is highly dynamic and will therefore fragment very quickly. If FSX is on that partition it too will get into the fragmentation soup of the systems partition. As FSX performs best when defragged and sorted according to name order then this performance tuning will be lost. Keep FSX on a different partition and use NickN's defragging method and FSX will be as gold until you install another aicraft or add-on.

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Hello,this is how I have set my system:following the tip of a FS guru (never argue with windows) I have installed both FS9 and FSX on drive C, the same where OS is.I have three other disks: D, E and F.I have moved (cut and paste) FS9 in E and FSX in F and again from there I have moved "Aircraft" folder of FS9 and "SimObjects" of FSX to D.Then, with the tips of other expert simmers, I have used Junction Link Magic ( http://www.rekenwonder.com/linkmagic.htm ) and have linked all the directories.I am very happy with this configuration and these are the advantages:1) FS9 and FSX appear to be in C and windows is soo happy!2) Both FS9 and FSX run in their own fast two WD Raptors @ 10.000 rpm and because they are not so huge and I don't want them to be full this is why I have moved the two biggest directories in D.3) Both "aircraft" and "simobjects" directories have plenty of spaces in a bigger, even if slower, disk.Again I am very happy with this configuration and want to thanks all simmers who helped me with this project.

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Which drive did you get? Just wondering because I'm going to do the same. The 300G raptor is $240 and the Samsung is $100. I was hoping either would be an improvement over my current raid setup with FSX on the default C: drive.

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It is UTTERLY counter-intuitive to say that ANY app or game will function better on the same drive as the OS.You will never convince me otherwise.FSX has it own partition on a sepearte drive than the OS.Dedicated bandwidth for OS and FSX.Simple logic.

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>OK guys. It seems the vote goes to a separate drive. I never>thought about the idea that if something goes wrong with the>master OS drive at least I won't lose FS and all its separate>addons. Thanks for the advice, tomSimple solution to prevent the above....Disk Imaging.With the price of external hard drives what they are today, you should be making regular Disk Images of your entire system, along with any other "backup" strategies you use for individual files on your computer.A 1-Terabyte external hard drive can be had for under $150 today (look for online sales, or newspaper deals from places like Fry's Electronics...they are tons of these "sales" every day). Any major changes to what is on your main hard drive (OS partition) caused by installations of software to either your OS partition OR a secondary hard drive should result in you making a new Disk Image of the OS drive. Then if it crashes, it is a simple matter to re-install the OS drive image, and you are right back in business.FalconAF

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Falcon,I have thought about an external drive; Is the "imaging" you mention kind of like what Windows Restore does? I don't know too much about the external backup thing. For one, I was told if you have a bad HD crash, it isnt as simple as just reloading the backup onto a new drive. What is really involved? Tom

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Tom,A Disk Image is not quite the same as using the Windows Restore function. There are similarities. But the main difference (among others) is that if you lose your hard drive that Windows is installed on, then you also will lose the ability to run the Windows Restore function. Everything on the hard drive gets trashed, so you can't even access the Windows Restore point anymore.A Disk Image is a "snapshot" of the entire hard drive, and can be re-installed to the hard drive. It re-writes EVERYTHING back to the hard drive, icluding the Windows Registry entries. It can prevent you from having to do a reformat and re-install of everything you had there before. The best example of it is if you buy a computer from a company and it comes already pre-loaded with the Operating System, other programs, and all the drivers that make it all work, the GOOD companies will also include a "backup installation recovery" disk with it. That disk is a "Disk Image" of everything that was installed on the hard drive before they shipped the computer to you. If your hard drive ever crashed, you could insert the Disk Image disk and reload everything again. You would end up with your computer being exactly the way it was when you took it out of the box. In this case though, you would still have to go back and re-install everything YOU ADDED (software-wise) to the computer since you took it out of the box.A good strategy is to make your OWN additional "Disk Images" on a regular basis as you add new stuff to your computer hard drives. Imaging software is inexpensive. I won't recommend any one particular software application over another. You can search the Internet to see what is available. But using one to make regular new images can save your butt and a lot of time instead of spending days re-installing everything if you get a virus attack, hard drive failure, etc.Remember...Windows Restore only works IF you can still run Windows from your hard drive. If not...you need an alternative way to get everything back to the way it was BEFORE you lost the drive and Windows.FalconAF

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