November 21, 2025Nov 21 3 hours ago, SayAgain said: Not a lot of fuel, but not empty either ... I think 1 passenger 180 and about 40 cargo as I recall ... no arrestor hook either. Specs for Aerostar 600 landing distance is 1040-1230 ft ... as you can see I stopped in about half that distance. Takeoff is 1,550 ft to 1,950 ft, ... the carrier is about 1100 ft I believe. I'll be surprised if I can't do the same with the Phenom 300E. Gotta take the MSFS 2024 flight physics with a grain of salt, especially ground friction. Maybe with a Pilatus PC-24! Rhett 7800X3D ♣ 96 GB G.Skill Flare ♣ Gigabyte 4090 ♣ Crucial P5 Plus 2TB
November 21, 2025Nov 21 14 minutes ago, Mace said: Maybe with a Pilatus PC-24! The PC-24 doesn't have much of an edge over the Phenom in takeoff distance -- only just over 100 feet: Phenom 300E: 3,209 feet PC-24: 3,090 feet
November 21, 2025Nov 21 1 minute ago, martinboehme said: The PC-24 doesn't have much of an edge over the Phenom in takeoff distance -- only just over 100 feet: Phenom 300E: 3,209 feet PC-24: 3,090 feet It's rather close in landing distance too. Great airplane. Rhett 7800X3D ♣ 96 GB G.Skill Flare ♣ Gigabyte 4090 ♣ Crucial P5 Plus 2TB
November 22, 2025Nov 22 5 hours ago, martinboehme said: The PC-24 doesn't have much of an edge over the Phenom in takeoff distance -- only just over 100 feet: Phenom 300E: 3,209 feet PC-24: 3,090 feet Those are under standard conditions though Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASELMy System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSDPut my hands on (pic/dual/given)7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22
November 22, 2025Nov 22 1 hour ago, sd_flyer said: Those are under standard conditions though Oh, sure. (Also, those distances are over a 50-foot obstacle, not ground roll.) I was just going for a relative comparison between the Phenom 300E and the PC-24.
November 22, 2025Nov 22 On 11/21/2025 at 8:49 AM, SayAgain said: Not a lot of fuel, but not empty either ... I think 1 passenger 180 and about 40 cargo as I recall ... no arrestor hook either. Specs for Aerostar 600 landing distance is 1040-1230 ft ... as you can see I stopped in about half that distance. Takeoff is 1,550 ft to 1,950 ft, ... the carrier is about 1100 ft I believe. I'll be surprised if I can't do the same with the Phenom 300E. Gotta take the MSFS 2024 flight physics with a grain of salt, especially ground friction. Yes, as I thought. So, this is what I was talking about when I said, “we’d have to dip into very light GA or very special STOL airframes (either of which come with severe limits)” the parameters turn this into an impractical stunt. And anyone could trump it with any number of minimally loaded, light, small airframes, plus helicopters and blimps, etc where’s the challenge…? which then begs the question, why use a carrier at all? Why not grease into some tiny jungle strip or dirt road, as this airframe is somewhat infamous for…? Or at least use an IRL carrier aircraft, where the parameters make it ever so much more challenging? or if we’re trying to impress, then something that did actually happen, such as the C-130 trials, etc? I mean, do what you like, but don’t brag about silliness…
November 22, 2025Nov 22 1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said: So, this is what I was talking about when I said, “we’d have to dip into very light GA or very special STOL airframes (either of which come with severe limits)” Not sure what you mean? The Aerostar is neither? 1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said: And anyone could trump it with any number of minimally loaded, light, small airframes, plus helicopters and blimps, etc Sure, but where's the fun in that? 1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said: which then begs the question, why use a carrier at all? Because it's... an aircraft carrier! 🤪 1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said: Why not grease into some tiny jungle strip or dirt road, as this airframe is somewhat infamous for…? Why not indeed? You do you! 2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said: or if we’re trying to impress, then something that did actually happen, such as the C-130 trials, etc? Because that can evidently be done reasonably safely, whereas you'd have to be pretty bananas to try and get an Aerostar onto and off an aircraft carrier in real life. The sim allows us to have some pointless, silly fun. Not everyone's cup of tea -- that's fine!
November 22, 2025Nov 22 1 hour ago, martinboehme said: Not sure what you mean? The Aerostar is neither? Sure, but where's the fun in that? Because it's... an aircraft carrier! 🤪 Why not indeed? You do you! Because that can evidently be done reasonably safely, whereas you'd have to be pretty bananas to try and get an Aerostar onto and off an aircraft carrier in real life. The sim allows us to have some pointless, silly fun. Not everyone's cup of tea -- that's fine! The Aerostar is a very light GA vs an FA-18 Super Hornet: 5000lbs vs 45000 lbs. Where’s the fun in a completely gamified scenario…? Why not choose the HALO dropship or Dune ornithopter for style points? Or do we think that because we’re in a Hi Fi A2A or FSR addon that it somehow legitimizes the fun? like I said, the game is a sandbox, do whatever you want. But when there are so many opportunities for realistic challenges, bragging about utterly contrived, cherry picked scenarios is rather silly
November 22, 2025Nov 22 12 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said: Or do we think that because we’re in a Hi Fi A2A or FSR addon that it somehow legitimizes the fun? Fun doesn't need to be legitimized. Otherwise, it wouldn't be... you know... fun.
November 23, 2025Nov 23 5 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said: but don’t brag about silliness… Weird supposition ... where did I brag about this? Cherry picked? Sorry you lost me ... but that's ok, you seem to have some angst and/or preconception so go run with it if that helps you. EDIT: and I'm under no obligation to justify what I do on my simulator to you or anyone. But for the record I wouldn’t consider anything I do in game/sim to even qualify for bragging. Maybe when I beat Scott Speeds lap times in 125cc shifter Karts at (Sears Point/Infineon/Sonoma) back in the day in the physical world, I might have felt proud of the achievement. 😉 Edited November 23, 2025Nov 23 by SayAgain Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. - Carl Sagan
November 23, 2025Nov 23 2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said: But when there are so many opportunities for realistic challenges, bragging about utterly contrived, cherry picked scenarios is rather silly Because it's fun. That's the only reason required.
November 23, 2025Nov 23 17 hours ago, martinboehme said: Fun doesn't need to be legitimized. Otherwise, it wouldn't be... you know... fun. 16 hours ago, SayAgain said: Weird supposition ... where did I brag about this? Cherry picked? Sorry you lost me ... but that's ok, you seem to have some angst and/or preconception so go run with it if that helps you. EDIT: and I'm under no obligation to justify what I do on my simulator to you or anyone. But for the record I wouldn’t consider anything I do in game/sim to even qualify for bragging. Maybe when I beat Scott Speeds lap times in 125cc shifter Karts at (Sears Point/Infineon/Sonoma) back in the day in the physical world, I might have felt proud of the achievement. 😉 15 hours ago, Tuskin38 said: Because it's fun. That's the only reason required. Like I said - the game is a sandbox, play however you want. Landing GA aircraft on a CV is at the same level as doing donut burnouts in a parking lot.
November 23, 2025Nov 23 2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said: donut burnouts in a parking lot I’ve done that, after a race win, wasn’t a parking lot it was a race track … oh the horror! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. - Carl Sagan
November 23, 2025Nov 23 4 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said: Like I said - the game is a sandbox, play however you want. Landing GA aircraft on a CV is at the same level as doing donut burnouts in a parking lot. It sure is! Looking forward to another med jet like this. FS Reborn has good stuff. 7800+4090+64ram Just Flight RJ, 146 and F28, Piper Arrows ---A2A Aerostar and Comanche---Black Square Starship, Duke(s), TBM, Bonanza/BaronV2, KingAir---FSReborn FSR500---COWS Da42---FX P180, HJet & VJet---FlySimWare Chancellor and LearJet---FlightSimStudio EMB175 &P2006T---Fenix 320---PMDG DC6, 737(700+900), 777---C22J---Milviz Cessna 310 & Porter---SimWorksStudios Kodiak, PC12, Zenith & RV14---BigRadials Goose---IndiaFoxEcho MB3339+F35.
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