20 hours ago, mSparks said:

Pretty sure ripping out all the desktop hardware acceleration stuff provided by the AMD and Nvidia drivers has a lot to do with it yes, along with not using any of the open source improvements developed since 2013.

Although no one that originally developed wayland is working on it anymore, like the xbox leadership recently they all resigned.

Nvidia did actually offer them a better alternative to bring it up to modern standards - EGLStreams - but they refused to adopt it, because it didn't fit the in car entertainment use case wayland was developed for, in other news, since wayland is mostly abandonware now (most alternative developers like cosmic switched wlroots) toyota just switched to flutter instead.

xwayland itself is only intended for undeveloped, old applications that aren't maintained any more.

None of which match an X-Plane use case.

Didn't you say you didn't see

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wasn't it more

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There is no situation where wayland is better than a modern xserver, plenty where it is significantly worse. 

The question was obviously not meant to be taken seeriously and your benchmark data is at least two years old and you oughta know how fast everything related to Linux development moves. Here's something more up to date: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXg2qVA0WmE. Or: https://www.phoronix.com/review/ubuntu-2504-kde-gnome-way. Or: https://www.phoronix.com/review/ubuntu-2504-x11-gaming

 

P.S: You won't get me out of my trench. Wayland is the future, no matter what about three or four very loud X11ers on Phoronix say (reading these threads is a guilty pleasure). 

 

2 hours ago, strider1 said:

Since I have a HDR monitor and I use VR, AI recommends CatchyOS Plasma edition or Pop!_OS. 

Pop!_OS' Cosmic desktop is still fairly new, but apparently solid for daily use. However, some features may still be missing.

CachyOS regularly tops benchmarks among Linux distros because it uses modern CPU instruction sets for compilation. It's not really a beginner distro though and it's a rolling release, i.e. programme packages are only tested for a comparatively short time and there is no major release, so there is a chance for OS breakage and required manual action.

If you use SteamVR, you should be fine with VR in X-Plane on Linux. OpenXR is very dodgy (unlike on Windows).

Edited February 27Feb 27 by Bjoern

If you are a beginner, I recommend Ubuntu or one of its derivatives, it just works out of the box and is easy to keep up to date. And it is the one that Laminar uses to compile xplane.

i like gnome myself, but Xubuntu is maybe better if you come from windows.

2 hours ago, Bjoern said:

Wayland is the future, 

At the current pace. About a decade in the future, maybe 2.

If and when xplane is a wayland application rather than an X11 application I'll take another look. Personally I hope Laminar dont waste any time on switching to it.

2 hours ago, Bjoern said:

no matter what about three or four very loud X11ers

Feels like its actually over for windows now

https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-gaming-boss-resigns-replacement-promises-return-to-xbox

Just so much to make fun of both there and with wayland.

 

Edited February 27Feb 27 by mSparks

Well, my final step was deciding between POP!_OS and Nobara...

While burning the Pop!_OS ISO into a bootable pen I received an alert from Rufus, so I decided to go Nobara instead...

The Nobara ISO I chose is "Nobara-43-Official-NV-2026-01-26"...

This weekend it's my final Goodbye to MS Windowzeeee 🙂

For a good while X-Plane 12 will become my main simulator, but I plan to try other simulators like Condorsoaring and DCS World which also run in Linux through PROTON...

I will miss Traffic Global, and Active Sky XP somehow too...

Other than that, it's a New Life... New Day for me... well, sort of because actually X-Plane is far from "new" to me 🙂

Edited March 3Mar 3 by jcomm

The Formatter

2 hours ago, blingthinger said:

The Formatter

🤣

Just a comment on Linux generally -Nothing to do with Sim stuff at all but for years I have battled with printers/scanner issues with Windows and HP Printers. Today wheeled out the old HP printer scanner. No need for special software it picked up the printer and then scanned for me all within a minute of trying it out and none of the other rubbish that was eternal on Windows of advertisements disguised as help updates etc need new drivers etc etc. It just did it with minimal interfaces. As somebody who has battled with printers for years and years on Windows - it was amazing - made my day!

As to why HP well I still have a 18 year old HP PC - back from the time when HP made very good PCs and peripherals, it runs with a WIN 7 system for some other old legacy programs I still want and use - LOTUS, because 20 years later nobody has come up with anything remotely as good in terms of software as a couple of those old Lotus programs and they are still as good now as they were then -anybody remember them!

Edited March 4Mar 4 by coastaldriver

1 hour ago, coastaldriver said:

Just a comment on Linux generally -Nothing to do with Sim stuff at all but for years I have battled with printers/scanner issues with Windows and HP Printers. Today wheeled out the old HP printer scanner. No need for special software it picked up the printer and then scanned for me all within a minute of trying it out and none of the other rubbish that was eternal on Windows of advertisements disguised as help updates etc need new drivers etc etc. It just did it with minimal interfaces. As somebody who has battled with printers for years and years on Windows - it was amazing - made my day!

As to why HP well I still have a 18 year old HP PC - back from the time when HP made very good PCs and peripherals, it runs with a WIN 7 system for some other old legacy programs I still want and use - LOTUS, because 20 years later nobody has come up with anything remotely as good in terms of software as a couple of those old Lotus programs and they are still as good now as they were then -anybody remember them!

Oh! I do remember Lotus !!!

6 hours ago, coastaldriver said:

As to why HP well I still have a 18 year old HP PC - back from the time when HP made very good PCs and peripherals, it runs with a WIN 7 system for some other old legacy programs I still want and use - LOTUS, because 20 years later nobody has come up with anything remotely as good in terms of software as a couple of those old Lotus programs and they are still as good now as they were then -anybody remember them!

Yes, I do. But they never caught on, at least as far as everybody I've ever talked to is concerned.

jcom How has DCS been working for you? I understand it doesn't run very smoothly on Linux.

2 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

jcom How has DCS been working for you? I understand it doesn't run very smoothly on Linux.

reverted to Win 11 😞

Aces of Thunder had no way to decently run in Linux ....

I'll get back if they find a way to make it run trough any of the "bridges", Wine, Proton, ...

6 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

jcom How has DCS been working for you? I understand it doesn't run very smoothly on Linux.

DCS works. The only persistent bug I've encountered is black textures on the Marianas map though. Not sure if that one has been fixed yet.

On 3/21/2026 at 11:19 AM, jcomm said:

Aces of Thunder had no way to decently run in Linux ....

PS5 + PSVR2, all the way.

I'm still on GT7 for a while yet

Absolutely loving it. Just need a motion platform for the race chair now....

But I don't think anything comes close to that set up, really looking forward to getting bored of GT7 and switching to AoT. OK, it wasn't cheap, but the whole experience is significantly better than anything offered anywhere else, and PC is waaaaay more expensive.

That said, this weekend I found

https://github.com/wayvr-org/wayvr/

Combined with the Quest 3 its really an ideal solution for X-Plane VR. At any point, anywhere, just pick up the Quest headset, fire up the ALVR application in that, start xplane with wayvr (double tap the B key), straight into flying any aircraft, no hassle, 72hz/fps at close to max settings. Can sit reading firefox and watching youtube videos from the cockpit of the 744 while in cruise. Really close to my ideal setup now.

The main reason I need the PS5 is the PC is actually a work horse, especially now all the AI stuff is mainstream, when all that is running - often for days - no PC for me, so the PS5 is an ideal option, sit play on that while the PC earns the paycheck.

These are the glory days.

 

Edited March 22Mar 22 by mSparks

I’ve been trying out X-Plane on OpenSUSE for several days now, and to be honest, I’m not sure if it’s worth the hassle of getting everything to work properly 

31 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

 I’m not sure if it’s worth the hassle of getting everything to work properly 

I have some bad news for you.

Most of is here have spent years trying to get xplane to work properly, and that isnt constrained to one single OS, its all of them...