NickATC

Thank you, sir. I like planes with some realism... I'll google that company. EDIT: it's only for X-Plane ... I'm a FSX and P3D user

Just to avoid confusion, which developer designed that B727??

Awesome shots!!! :smile: Is that P3D ?? FSX?? FS9 ?? LOL

airwaysim.com fee is 0.1 Euro/USD per day. I used this one loooong time ago: http://www.airlinemogul.com Not sure how realistic since I don't own a real airline hehehehe... sorry I couldn't resist :wink: It's free.... so it's worth a try.

Hello, there! I use FSCaptain. It's engaging, challenging, and continously updated. Now I never fly without it. As for weather engines, I use REX essential with overdrive. Not hard on FPS and gives a nice touch of realism. I also use Accu-Feel. I only use FSX, but may work with P3D. Check the video. I hope you find what calls your attention. I've been a flight simmer... and still find amazing things on these threads Nick

When I have the same issue in FS9, I press CTRL+ENTER...this command changes the screen from full screen to windowed mode. Not sure if it works, but worth a try.

I asked the same but about the Turbine Duke. Developers answered YES... but you have to direct the installer to the folder where the FSX SE lies. Contact the developers for a direct answer.

"We are all very ignorant. What happens is that not all ignore the same things." Einstein I saw it somewhere... and continue writing it as I read it. This is what happens when English is not your native language :wink: Anyway, I hope that this small typos do not affect the thread LOL

This is my personal and humble opinion. Simmers sometimes are too strict and hard on their own procedures. If you guys saw aircraft making IFR procedures on radar screens, you would be amazed on how they look versus what we simmers expect. Don't get me wrong. People think that IRL intercepting a radial is easy... and that pilots intercept and follow it without think. But the reality is very different. And in this point, I can see 4 different groups of pilots. Let me explain. Group 1. Those pilots that have FMS. Everyhting looks perfect: Holdings, archs, SIDs, STARs, routes. One word to describe their procedures? Perfect! Group 2. The same pilot that has FMS, but due to traffic has to make quick changes to their paths, and has to do everything with autopilot. I sometimes see that they have to follow heading an altitude instructions (vectors) and then resume their own navigation. And the perfectness one sees on group 1, starts to become more like a real pilot. The holding is not that perfect... the radial tracking is more obvious since they try to follow a radial and one can see small corrections to maintain on a certain radial. Two words to describe their procedures? Looks good! Group 3. Those who fly IFR but with no AP. There are some flight schools and some charter companies that don't have AP on their planes and yet the fly IFR. And I can see how they follow the STARS, and then radial interception. And this is how flying IFR is, IMHO. That is how tracking a radial looks: the radial is track... displaced by wind.. then return to radial and correct for wind... again displaced by wind, back to the radial, more heading. Now it was too much heading. return to the radial.. and bingo!!... the pilot found the GOLDEN HEADING to follow the radial. What about entering the holding?? pretty much the same. What about an arch?? It's not perfect. But the pilot remains withing the 0.5nm. I like to check how group 3 pilots do their procedures. And it's nice to see that their procedures is not far from your elliptical arch, wipeout01. They look the same. Group 4. Those who are beginning to fly IFR. A friend of mine asked me to check his radar tracks... and also asked me for my opinion on his first IFR flight. And I told him: 'You had a hard time maintaing the radial, didn't you?' His response was really interesting. He said that following his first radial was really hard. That wind moved this aircraft too much.. .and that the GOLDEN HEADING that he found on flight sim changed all the time up there. So... moral?? in flight sim, some things are easier that in the real plane up there. To sum up. The fact that you see a perfect arch in a navigation chart, doesn't mean that it has to be a perfect arch with 0% error. No. That's not what happens in RL. In fact, when I took a small course on IFR Procedures, I could see that every procedure (arch, holding, route, SID, STAR, etc... you name it) has a certaind degree of expected error from the pilot. And NDB procedure is far less precise than a VOR procedure. That's for sure. Even an ILS has some tolerances, because it is expect that errors can be made during the IFR execution. So... Take it easy... maintain the legal limits, and you are going to be fine.

And that is how it works. With no wind, attack every radial with 90°, but as wind affects my flight, sometimes 90 is not going to work. I've applied angles of 110°... just to maintain my 90° course. So, you are doing it fine... believe me! To make a perfect arch sometimes is not possible. Small deviations take you away from the distance determined in the procedure. Look at this photo. It's a real photo of an airliner making an 11DME arch. Can you see current distance from the VOR to the plane?? that is 11.4 DME... not the 11 stated on the procedure. Do not forget that this arch was not made by the pilot, but by the FMS (computer on board that corrects for wind and other variables) But as long as the pilot is within the 0.5 in or out of the perfect arch, he will be ok. http://imageshack.com/a/img922/4066/6yTtnL.jpg What you are trying to do is a very complicated thing. Just picture this: If you have a wind, let's say, 360° 17kts, and you make any arch, the wind will affect you different as you fly the arch! You will have to make very accurate calculations to determine the Wind Correction Angle to know how to adjust heading to the new radial to cut... and that is assuming the wind will remain steady, which in my humble opinion is far from the real world. If you manage to stay within the limits the FAA or your country's aviation authority, you can feel proud of yourself. Just making an arch within the legal limits is already a hard thing to do. Trying to maintain a perfect arch is something I'd like my students to do. If you, or any pilot find the way to do it, let me know... I'd like to learn how to do it. So, just relax, Wipeout01, maintain within the limits and that's it. If you are doing it this way, kudos to you!

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ATC and flight instructor.

Just FYI, the 217° radial is neither the first radial to cut nor is where the 7dme arc begins... it is the radial in which the 56 dme arc begins... As I stated in my previous post, the first radial to cut is not described in the chart. WTH!! 56dme arc!!??? :mad: 'Tower, I request to fly direct to... ' LOL

Bonchie nailed it. I'm a navigation instructor, maybe my tips can give you another look at the same topic: I always teach the DME arc by following 3 single steps. 1. Anticipate 2. What's the first radial to 'cut' 3. Heading to attack the first radial. I'll explain one by one. 1. Anticipate. I explained it in my post, but in your video you didnt' apply it. You turned 5nm from VOR, but your speed was 120 kts. That's why when you flew heading 280, you were just 6nm from the VOR... you turned too early. I'll explain again: Anticipate 1% of your GS. As you were taking off we will assume that your KIAS and GS are the same. They are not... but they are very close. Your climb speed was 120 kts ... so 1% would be 1.2. This, converted to nm, would be to anticipate 1.2 nm before the arc.... sooooooo: 7 dme -1.2 5.8 nm This is your first number. Fly runway heading, and when 5.8nm from VOR, turn right (for the arc you want)... to what heading??' that's step 3... hold your horses :wink: 2. What's the first radial to 'cut'? This radial is not stated on the charts. I've never seen a chart that states the first radial to 'cut'... so you have to infer it. Is it difficult?? no... You said you were flying runway heading of 190... so, you would be leaving via the 190 radial... not exact, but can give you an idea. So... if you were leaving via the 190° radial, what is your next radial?? as the arc you want to do is clockwise, the radials will increase. Your next radial will be 200°. And that is your second number**. You have to cut the 200 radial... and the heading??? 3. Heading. THIS IS THE REASON YOU ARE EVERYTIME FARTHER FROM THE VOR, PAY ATTENTION HERE!!! As explained before, you have to attack every radial selected with 90°. So, as your arc is clockwise, you have to add 90° to the radial that is selected... no the current heading you are flying! Your error was that you selected the radial 217°, but you flew heading 280°. Error!!!! :excl: 217°+90°= 307°... you were making a big error of almost 30°... that's too much! Back to my explanation: as the first radial to attack is 200° (see step 2), the first heading is: 200°+90°= 290°... and that is your third number. Fly heading 290° So... let's put all together, like if we were doing the briefing of this chart: Take off, fly runway heading of 190°, when 5.8nm from VOR, turn right heading 290° until you 'cut' the 200° radial.** Once you cut the 200° radial, you are doing this perfectly.... add 10° to the radials, and 10° to the heading: next would be 210° radial and 300° heading... and so on. Double check the heading adding 90 to the radial selected. Try this with wind calm until you can make the arc perfectly... until you master the technique. But not always you have wind calm... so bonchie explained this better that I can do, so if your distance is increasing, put your nose where the VOR is: do not add 10° of heading, but 15°... or 20°. No rule here, just an educated guess. This depends on the wind component and intensity. If your distance is decreasing, do not add 10° to the heading, but 5°. No rule here, just an educated gues... blah blah blah. you know what I'm talking here. Try my numbers... and fly the same procedure. Record a new video, and let us know your results. How cow!! a very long explanation... sorry for that! :smile: ** The first radial can also be 210° + 90° = 300° heading to attack the 210° radial. In case you need, PM me and we can have a skype session and I can see what you are doing and correct you... I'm sure this works best than reading, practicing, making mistakes, post, wait, reading... etc. LOL

Let see if I can help you with this: Let's imagine you need to leave the arc via de 350° radial. And that you are flying the Bonanza A36. So, what you have to do is to start turning off the arc when you are, say 5 radials before de 350 radial. It would be the 345 or 355 radial.. depending on the side of the turns. So. select with the OBS the 345 or 355 radial (that is 5 radials before the desired radial of your aiway), when the CDI centers, it is time to turn off the arc. This applies to small and slow aircraft. For faster planes, 10 radials would do the job. I know there is a math calculation to know exactley how many radials you have to anticipate to leave an arc... but 10 radials in a king (what I fly on FS) is enough I hope to be clear and have answered your question. PD. When you join the DME arc, is not necessarly 1nm before. Let's put an example of a 10 DME arc. It is the 1% of your Ground Speed what tells the distance you have to anticipate.. **Let's say that you fly a plane that climbs a 100 GS...1% of 100 knots= 1 nm.. this is. At 9nm you have to start to turn right or left 90° **but... if your plane flies at 180 knots... 1% of 180 kt = 1.8 nm. In this case, at 8.2nm you have to start to turn right or left 90°