Okay, you got me! I've held out getting over to FS9 from FS2002, but now I've been working for the past couple of weeks to do it so I can fly this aircraft. Upgraded CPU and video card, moved tons of aircraft (got to have traffic) and panels, working on scenery now. Turns out PMDG has a lot of influence on my system!I don't post very often, but I'm a very enthusiastic user of PMDG and am very much looking forward to the 800/900. Not that I expect any issues, but even if there are, I don't care if dates slide, or if the server groans for a while, or if there are some features left for later releases or aircraft. PMDG has always shown the right stuff and made it right in my book.Dick Bixler

>Peter->>MSFS, not windows. TCAS may work under FS2002.. not too>sure about this..?Yes it should. The Styles menu includes an option for which source to gather your TCAS information from - FSUIPC or FS internal. If you chose FSUIPC then you can use the TCAS in FS2k2. However, it is improtant to stress that the 8/900 is only being supported in FS9, as in you may get crashes, features not working, etc etc if you use FS2002.

I cant change my forum name???Ramon

No need to change your forum name, Ramon. Just your signature is fine! Thank you!VinPMDGwww.precisionmanuals.comhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/devteam.jpg

Ok, I made my signature with Kind Regards,Ramon

Parently my signature doesn't appear.Try to fix this by now.

Hi DevonI tend to agree with Jeff, ther was not much hostality in the replies to your post. I can opnly speak for myself, but I am really interested to hear what, in your opinion, is falling short of other vendors. The air pressure in the duct is modelled pretty accurately, the NG has a load regulator so it will keep a certain air pressure in the duct. If load increases the pressure will drop, the APU regulator will sense the pressure drop and feed more air to the duct thus increasing the pressure to the set level. It sure is a simplified model but basically the read-outs are correctAbout starting the engine with packs on. I think this is doable in the NG but is not recommended for a number of reasons. I'm not at all sure about this and I'm sure someone with more knowledge than me will correct me. About the FMC. Yes sure there are things that are greyed out. There are only so many things you can put into a $39.95 simulator. And many of the things greyed out are not that essential for us sim flyers. But sure there are things that would be neat to have in there. As I'm sure you are aware, there are things missing in the PIC767 FMC as well. Bottom line is, you still didn't provide in what sense this aircraft falls short in comparison to other vendors, it would be interesting to hear your elaboration on that.If we can have a civilized and mature discussion about what you think is missing I'm sure the PMDG team will listen to any points raised and use them for coming releases.Cheers,

Jeff and Matt,Thanks for your reply.Yes, I would like to elaborate - however, I think it would be fair to wait until the 800 is in full production.What I didn't say (which I should have) is that I do like the PMDG very much. It is a great aircraft - but not quite an excellent aircraft.Rather than launch into too much side-by-side on the 600/700 model, I will wait for the 800 series and then re-evaluate my assessment which would be far more fair to PMDG.If you don't mind waiting, that is....Bottom line - as I plan to invest in the 800 since I've already spent $40 U.S. - I would prefer to see a respectable asking price for enhanced package.Nice to see some solid Gents in amongst the rabble...Cheers,Devon LeslieP.s. with regards to Starting engines with Packs on - you CAN do it on PMDG, but you shouldn't be able to without at least one engine running. - not enough pressure from the APU pump to run AC and start an engine simuatenously...

Agreed, I look forward to flying this new bird.Take care.

Devon,That's a fair deal, Sir.You are welcome back with comments and suggestions once you've put the -800/900 through it's paces. ;-)PS. You may be right about the engine start sequence, will bring it up as an inquiry to the team. It's late in the game, but we'll see...Regards,

Devon,Just to let you know, your not alone. This is a nice plane, but it's not a 40.00 dollar one, yet. I agree, there are some things that should have been part of the package, along with some fix's. I should have read between the lines in the reviews. My fault, no one else to blame but me. My expectations were higher than they should have been, I suppose. I'll have to admit, they do a great job of marketing. Without the upgrade it's just not a complete aircraft, and it's just good enough to make you come back for the upgrade. Or, you've paid so much, you have to come back for the upgrade to make it worth your original investment. Good job guys. You got into my wallet,(not an easy thing to do) and that's what counts in any comerical adventure. I've been doing this for more years than some of your posters have been alive. Now, don't get me wrong here, I do enjoy the plane. It just isn't a 40.00 plane as it stands. By the way, 40.00 gives me the right to post my comments. You certainly have the right to remove it. Marv

Thanks to Mr. Greenspan and Mr. Trichet for their low dollar and high euro, it makes this beautifull aircraft cheaper for me ;-)regards,Thomas

Well, sincerely, I think the value is pretty good if you consider that the guys paint up tons of liveries. Keep in mind certain developers (we all know who) charge per livery (or force you to buy a livery you only wanted on one type for all variations). So for $40, you'd get the model, panel, sound and like 3-4 liveries. Here you get Model (several variants), panel, sound and all the liveries (which are quite a few considering they're free). Also, PMDG has a free painting policy, so we can release our own stuff for the plane.IMHO, this plane has pretty good value. Also, I love the FMC. I flew PIC, and I loved it, but you just can't compare since PIC's developer had been developing for FS for a good while. I think the fact that PMDG has done this on their FIRST FS release is pretty astonishing, and I can't wait to see just how far they can take it once they become more experienced with FS.Daniel P.

"P.s. with regards to Starting engines with Packs on - you CAN do it on PMDG, but you shouldn't be able to without at least one engine running. - not enough pressure from the APU pump to run AC and start an engine simuatenously..."Have you actually tried this on a real aircraft? It is normal procedure not to have the packs switched on, but have you proven you can't (under ideal conditions*)?Regards.Ian (Occasional 737NG mechanic)*APU is new and performing normally, OAT is not excessive, etc...http://members.ozemail.com.au/~b744er/737N...derTheCowls.jpgP.S. Wallace... If you're still out there :-).... What's that gold coloured thingamajig above the Oil-Fuel Heat Exchanger??? (Accy Gearbox drive?)

Just how far will your nose go up the crack of PMDG, lol?Well, if you consider liking their work to be sticking my nose up their crack, you don't want to know. :-lol See, as a painter I understand the burden of dealing with people like yourself.You are the worst I've ever seen from the PMDG Buttkisser Brigade - noone, and I mean noone, can hold a candle to you.Why thank you. :) And you are the best closet troll I've seen in a while. Gee, you actually bother to write properly! It ALMOST makes it seem like you actually have a point. :-)I just hope you remember to pull your face out of the collective PMDG behinds once in awhile so you can breathe, sheesh.Oh, I'm plugged to an outside air source, don't worry!Cheers,Daniel P.