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That new EMB-120 looks good and there are great paints available. But what about the panel? Which panel do you use?At the file library there is a very basic version by Ronning which is more than 3 years old and he says it

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I'm using the Embraer 120 Brasilia Panel by David Mead - I think it's actually a good panel, although I haven't yet figured out to adjust the vertical speed with the autopilot on. It comes with a aircraft.cfg file, but the contact points are for another version, so I use the .cfg file supplied by Eric Cantu.Dale

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Its a nice panel, however I wish there was a center post on the right side.Bill

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I've downloaded and installed three different panels, but each one had issues. Now I'm following someone else's advice and aliasing the PMDG Beech 1900D panel. Works great.I also downloaded an EMB 120 soundpack from here in the library, emb120sndpk.zip.Jim

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Dat was me on the PMDG B1900. I upgraded it with RXP Jetline2 EHSI and EADI and GNS530. Not real accurate, but close enough to enjoy this airplane until Dr. Grabowski can update his panel... :-)Eric

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>>That new EMB-120 looks good and there are great paints>available. But what about the panel? Which panel do you use?>>At the file library there is a very basic version by Ronning>which is more than 3 years old and he says it

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If Bill approves it for release I'm in the midst of a complete rework of his older 120 panel. Because of some incompatibilities between FS2000 and later FS versions I'm using some of the Kingair gauges which, in my opinion, don't terribly detract from the Brazilia ambiance. Some gauge frames were removed in support of the changes but shading adds back the depth. I've also used a couple of more pop-up panels to include all the original had to offer.If anyone's interested I'm probably 2-3 weeks from completion, and I need to check with Bill as well.Regards,Leon

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leon:if you need assistance w/testing to confirm your edits will work on other's comptuers let me know. i've got the time to assist, and have 20 years of FS exp.--

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I slung one together for FSX that I have been using. Pretty plain but it works. Email if you you want to try it out. Replaces the King Air IFR panel. Uses only stock stuff with a modified BMP panel.GMark

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gmark:i'm an FS9 user, my computer ain't up to FSX. i decided to wait for the VISTA & DXx issues to be sorted out before making my computer choice. (plus i really really really dislike VC's (don't like the no 2D side view restriction in FSX ... so i don't even know if i'll go to FSX when i purchase the computer upgrade in ~6 months).)thanks for the offer. i'll see if leon will take me up on helping with the FS9 panel update.--

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>The long and short of it is that there is currently no useable>good panel for the EMB 120. Plane's in the hangar until>someone steps up to the plate. Well, I guess I'll limber up, swing the bat a few times, and step up to the plate. I might not hit a home run, but I'll be looking for a good solid double.Bill

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I think the Mead panel is pretty accurate. The torque values are just a tad off...but nothing drastic. If it had a working Flight Director similar to the one in Bill Grabowski's E145 panel it would be a great panel and a center post it would be near perfect. The AP is a little weird as far as the Vert Speed function...but after a few quick flights its no more difficult to master than Bill's ERJ AP. If someone were to just update the Mead one to have these improvements I'd be set. I used to spend a good bit of time jumpseating on the 120...and the panel seams pretty close. Just my $.02.Cheers!Markus

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>>The long and short of it is that there is currently no>useable>>good panel for the EMB 120. Plane's in the hangar until>>someone steps up to the plate. >>Well, I guess I'll limber up, swing the bat a few times, and>step up to the plate. I might not hit a home run, but I'll be>looking for a good solid double.>>BillNah, you've already stepped up to the plate and then some. Would love to see an upgrade of your emb 120 panel, though. ricardo

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Yeah...that new panel LOOKS great...but looks aren't everything. Maybe I've just been spoiled by Bill's ERJ panel and other good freeware panels. The photorealistic aspects of the Paetzold panel look fantastic but I'm a stickler for details and Bill and Mead's E-120 panels are more realistic where instruments are involved...especially the engine guages. Details like the flap guages on these two are also a good example of their eye for detail. Too many default guages on this panel by Paetzold...anyway. Bill, you're the man for stepping up to the plate again.Cheers,Markus

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Scoob,Thank's for the offer and I would have appreciated the help - however, as you've probably seen below, Bill Grabowski is going to update his panel - and that's what we really want!If you have any experience with his ERJ panel you know his artistry as well as his gauge creation and programming skills. We are fortunate indeed.Thanks again,Leon

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Why is that some folks always have to tear down someone else's freeware effort. Horst's panel is a vast improvement over aliasing Eric Cantu's model to the default King Air panel. First of all, you get improved 2d sideviews and a cabin view. Secondly, the author clearly states in his readme file that he is only offering a VISUAL improvement, i.e., default King Air gauges around a photorealistic EMB 120 panel bitmap. I, for one, am greatful for his efforts. The EMB 120 is now fun to fly.ricardo

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Interesting that you think I was 'tearing down' his freeware effort. I think you're being a little over-sensitive. The Mead and Grabowski panels are better if you like guage accuracy. The new panel is good if you like photoreal prettiness. I (again, my opinion) take accuracy of the flying experience over a 'pretty' panel. If you like to fly by the numbers and appreciate accurate Torque, RPM, and ITT values, as well as flap settings, then Horst's panel is not for you. There are lots of different people in the FS community and they place importance on different things. Relax Ricardo, and enjoy the new panel while I'll enjoy a different author's...until Bill updates his ;-)Oh yeah, I'm grateful for Horst's efforts too...I'm just not going to use it.Cheers,Markus

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I think that making disparaging remarks about someone's freeware offering is very poor form indeed. Why not try to make one yourself and wait for the comments about *your* efforts?:(

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sure thing leon.i've flown bill's panels for years. only left his ERJ work when one came out with a functioning FMC and a few other bells & whistles (FT's).look forward to giving bill's update a spin.--

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Markus:you state you are flying the EMB120 'by the numbers.' what is your resouce for this performance information? i've looked on the net and haven't found a freeware source.would be great to know you source so i, and others, could fly the EMB correctly (within the limits of FS9)i fly the EMB like other aircraft in it's size -- ex.: B1900D.--

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Guys, let's not let our passion for protecting our freeware developers turn this post into a mud-slinging match.I saw nothing wrong with Markus' post. He was just stating that one panel looked good while the others had better functionality and gauges.I can tell you with great authority that freeware developers will have their work evaluated every day. Some people will not like what they see, but I know that most in this community are generally grateful for the work we do. (and as Markus has stated)I know how hard it is to not only develop in this hobby (my speciality is quite easy compared to what others have to do), but to also package the work into an uploadable format, with readmes, pictures, and the process of uploading itself.Let's all hope that all who have taken interest in Erick's great little EMB-120 will continue to develop even more great stuff. :)BTW,If you haven't checked the screenshot forum recently, I just released this one:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/164426.jpgEDIT: And it is ALREADY in the library! Thanks again to the Avsim library staff! :)Regards,Steve Drahttp://img47.photobucket.com/albums/v144/S...Dra/banner1.jpgDownload my planes at Avsim here:http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID...&Go=Change+View

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I agree, we all should be grateful to Paedzolt for his efforts in developing this freeware panel. I like it very much and we should encourage him and the other freeware developers to continue their efforts. THANKS !!!.

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Thanks Steve...this is exactly the reason I do not post much on these forums...its tough being constructively critical without people jumping on you.Aesthetically, Horst's panel looks beautiful...I guess I'm just picky about different things. Here's an example, I've changed Erick Cantu's .cfg file so that the flap settings are more accurate. His file was as follows...flaps-position.0 = 0 // degreesflaps-position.1 = 20 // degreesflaps-position.2 = 40 // degreesThis is inaccurate...the flap settings on the E-120 are 0,15,25,45.Trust me on this.As far as flying "by the numbers". I used to work for an airline that flew the E-120, B1900D and the ATR 42/72 and now exclusively the E135/45. I've been lucky enough to have spent a lot of time with people who flew these a/c. I've learned a lot about SOPs from these people over the years. I was also lucky enough to JS a few times back in the day (pre 9/11). There are a lot of resources out there if you look hard enough.Great repaints Steve...do you have a Great Lakes coming? Cheers,Markus

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