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>The first quarter is coming to an end...>>Where is it ? :)>>>You're right, the first quarter is coming to an end, but the second quarter isn't.

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#1 rule in software development: It is done when it's done.Unless, of course, you're working for a certain impatient publisher. Then it's done when they tell you it should be done.

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In an effort to bring simulation closer to the real world ALL Airbus simulations are now two years delayed due to wiring problems. Everyone go get your legal teams ready to review what recourse you may have...-Paul

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They said 2nd quarter...but don't hold their feet to the fire, because these predictions are usually wrong

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>In an effort to bring simulation closer to the real world ALL>Airbus simulations are now two years delayed due to wiring>problems. Everyone go get your legal teams ready to review>what recourse you may have...>-PaulEheheh...Marco

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I'm sure we'll see it long before that MD-11 is released.

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>I'm sure we'll see it long before that MD-11 is released.Oh you can bet on it. Seems like that thing will never see the light of day.:-lol

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Nice try, Graeme Butler, but no cigar for you. ;)First of all the Q1 statement was an error, and even I gasped when I read it. It has since been corrected.As to Q2, never forget "2nd quarter" does not mean the first day of it, just during it. Last time I checked, Q2 ends on June 30.Actually, I have never believed in announcing release time frames. However, this was not my call to make.Why?Because if you say "Spring of 2005", some folks think that means the first day of Spring which, of course is not correct. It means any time during that season.After a while it is almost funny. Someone says that the product will be out in the Winter of 2004, and on Decemeber 21 you'll have folks posting: "Well, it is Winter, where is the product". I guess we really need to say: "Sometime DURING...."I never realized that a quarter or a season occurs on just one day of the year.;)After almost 10 years in this business I am so used used to these types of threads that I do not even know why I bother resonding to the snide remarks such as:"The Airbus you will be waiting for..."I dare say that we will have it out before the end of Q2, and if we miss it, it will not be by much time.Ya' really gotta remember that we read this stuff. :-lolRegards, Lou Bettihttp://www.dreamfleet2000.com/AXP/AXPforumbanner.jpg

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Dear Lou,Sorry that my remark upset you - I guess I should have added a smiley to indicate it was "in jest". ;) I have purchased ALL Dreamfleet and Reality XP and Flight Scenery products and I have no doubt the Airliner XP will be a top quality add-on. :-)I do, however, think that you left yourself wide open with that slogan. :+

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I find it a little difficult to forget the aggressive claims that were made by this project team right on the eve of the Feelthere A320 release. First it was "in beta." Then later it mysteriously reverted to "pre-beta." A Q1 release was widely quoted as a competing product beat them to the streets, then "oops, a mistake, we meant Q2."If the ATR project is any indication we can get our "The Airbus we're still waiting for" sig blocks ready....for those who don't remember, F1 and Dreamfleet showed up at the AVSIM convention in Reading PA announcing a "without fail, take it to the bank" Christmas release that year, and it released almost a year later than that. For a bunch that doesn't like to establish (unrealistic) release dates, they sure haven't seemed to learn their lesson.I just think the flurry of AirlinerXP vaporware timed right at the release of the competing Feelthere product to be a bit of unethical guerrilla info-warfare. I don't respect what they did and how they did it one little bit.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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I think you're being harsh there IMO. If two companies are developing competing products there's no way you'd expect one to sit back, stay silent, and let the other gain all the sales without even mentioning what you had in the pipeline.Sometimes it seems there's just a little too much negativity flying around these discussion boards, again, IMO.

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It was "mentioned" with a Q1 release date (now recanted) and represented as "now in beta" (now reverted to pre-beta). Mentioning is one thing...exaggerated advertising to suggest near-completion of a work far from that point is something else."Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."As I said, if the history of Dreamfleet and RealityXP tells me anything, I'll be downright shocked to see this thing out within six months of that originally misadvertised 2007 Q1 release. In fact a year later wouldn't surprise me a bit. There'll probably be another flurry of excuses and "extenuating circumstances." Again, if history suggests anything to me, it'll be a solid product when it does hit the streets, but the claims of near readiness and the ultimate timing of the delivery is the issue here, not the developers' ability to make a quality product.I think those who elect to wait for the ScarelinerXP project are gonna be waiting quite a while yet.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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Oh my GOD! Dreamfleet is behind this A320!?!?!?!?!I didn't know..... I'm gonna die now.And it's for FS9!!!! Whoohhoooo! My FSX is on hold until SP1.Every time I see a new product my gut contracts in terror expecting it to be for FSX only.I thought Airliner XP was some other company, which means wait-and-see.What a pleasant surprise.

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You make it sound as if this is more important than it is imho, like release times are all wrapped up in people's hopes and dreams or whatever. :-lolPersonally my cynical take is this - promising product, hooray but guess what, my money is still in my pocket so big freakin deal if you break your schedule. In the end the longer any dev takes is the worse for THEM, not me. Why the heckity heck people get so bothered about dates is beyond me - stuff happens, it's called life.AFTER I spend my money - if a developer is duplicitous, and cannot be trusted to release and support a quality product, their reputation goes into the toilet fast. I do not know that to be the case with any of the 3 devs collaborating on this product.So I wait, and guess what - I take Q2 with a fat rock of salt - if it's on time, great, if not - shocker :-eek heavens to betsy the sky is fallingedit - sorry - did not know I could not say that hot place where snowballs don't stand a chance :-lolregards,Markhttp://www.dreamfleet2000.com/a320/custbanner2.jpgPC Power Silencer 470/3.2HT/2048mb/ATI X1950pro/SB Audigy

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>Oh my GOD! Dreamfleet is behind this A320!?!?!?!?!>>I didn't know..... I'm gonna die now.>>And it's for FS9!!!! Whoohhoooo! My FSX is on hold until>SP1.>Every time I see a new product my gut contracts in terror>expecting it to be for FSX only.>You really should get out more. :)Rob Elliott, EGPE InvernessPSS Airbus Support andAirbus Fleet Training Captain, British Airways Virtual airbus@speedbirdonline.co.ukhttp://www.speedbirdonline.co.uk/airbus.htmlhttp://www.bavirtual.co.uk

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>Oh my GOD! Dreamfleet is behind this A320!?!?!?!?!>>I didn't know..... I'm gonna die now.>>And it's for FS9!!!! Whoohhoooo! My FSX is on hold until>SP1.>Every time I see a new product my gut contracts in terror>expecting it to be for FSX only.>You really should get out more. :)Rob Elliott, EGPE InvernessPSS Airbus Support andAirbus Fleet Training Captain, British Airways Virtual airbus@speedbirdonline.co.ukhttp://www.speedbirdonline.co.uk/airbus.htmlhttp://www.bavirtual.co.uk

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Thank you for your kind words Mark!Actually we first announced it is in development (not in beta) with a ***target*** release date of Q1, or no later than Q2. This is the target release date. As we all know, things can happen to delay the release of the product. Let me try to explain typical cases that can delay the release:1) we are small development team, and as human beeings, things can happen on a personal level that affect the schedule bad time. For example, last november I've had apendicitis. You cannot plan ahead much about it and I was almost incapable to work for 6 weeks because of this (well, a sound 3 weeks off and 3 weeks half and half).2) we can late-decide to delay to add something that is of very great value for our customers. A real oportunistic situation may occur. For example, we didn't plan for FS2Crew support BEFORE the release. Now, we are in good contacts with Bryan and as a matter of fact, thanks to our organic simulation and thanks to have designed the simulation outside the FS SDK, we can provide him a standard interface (API) to the entire Airbus systems. However, this will now add more development and support time before the release in order for you, our customers, to have a sound FS2Crew version for the AXP320 sooner3) we can be offered additional material to complement the simulation at a late stage, such as specific systems or entertainement related materials, that we may decide to include in v1.0 and not in v1.14) many other reasons I don't even plan ahead.So we do have target release dates, and we follow our own internal road map to completion. However, and this is the bright side of the coin of beeing a small team, we can also slip the target date whenever we feel it is for adding value to the product for the sake of your enjoyment.As for semantics expressed above, english is close to french in this regard to make me thing that in fact, language wise, we are all already waiting for it, not we ***will*** wait for it!As for the rest, there is a french tv show that is called "you can't please everyone"... let us just try to please the most.Hope this helps!

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Bob, I normally think you're right on the mark with most posts you make but I think this is a little harsh.Comparing the AXP release to that of the F1/Dreamfleet ATR proves little by way of comparison. Few people (if any) outside the dev team knew just how far along the ATR was when that xmas release was 'promised' to people. For all we know, the release estimates given by AXP are based on a product that is far further along in terms of development. To imply that AXP haven't learned a lesson because of an announcement made a few years ago for a different product at an unknown stage of development by a team comprised of different members (in part) is hardly fair!You might be right about the guerrilla info warfare but hey, it's a competitive market, that's how these things play out.Personally, I'm in no hurry. It's a nice day outside! If this thing hits the ground around mid-to-late June I'd be more than pleased, as by then the weather down here will be less conducive to getting out and about!

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