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Hey guys,i have just started to fly the Wilco Airbus series.i first took the tutorial flight, so when i was about to land, i did exactly was written in the tutorial, i press the ILS button, and engage LOC , and when "glideslope" i press "appr" , it goes well in 2 seconds, then suddenly the plane start to raise the nose quickly, forcing it into a stall.can someone tell me what i am doing wrong ?!Thanks!RegardsMathias.

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Does it actually stall (i.e. alpha floor kicks in) or does it look like it might stall any second now? Can't really help you, the Wilco bus autopilot is royally fubared... the only suggestion I can give you is, if it's the latter scenario...ignore any real-life ops and make sure you're in a full landing configuration well before g/s capture.Oh, and make sure you have your weights entered correctly, just in case it could be a user error :)

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It actually will fly a perfectly accurate approach. You must be sure that you have filled out the approach phase page entries (press the 'PERF' button and page until you see it)and selected a landing runway. Select ILS when you get within range and when established on your localizer intercept heading press 'LOC'. When you're about 10 miles from the airport use the 'PERF' button again and activate the approach phase by selecting 'APPR PHASE' and 'CONFIRM APPR' - among other things, this sets your approach speeds. When the localizer starts to center, you can select 'APPR' on the FCU (I prefer to wait until established on the localizer and the glideslope indicater is at one dot), then select the second autopilot. Check the PFD to make sure all is properly annunciated and that the right ILS is being picked up - don't forget flaps and gear (note that you can select flaps 3 or full on the approach phase page and the V speeds will adjust accordingly). When you hear 'retard, retard' pull the throttles to idle, and manually set reverse thrust and you're home free. The phases of flight are everything on the bus, and if you screw one up you'll get really busy.In spite of the screams of outrage from some customers of the late PSS and Wilco, I've put a lot of hours on the bus without any major problems with either model - I have both. They aren't perfect, but they do fly well and at this point the latest release has no really major problems that have bit me. If you're really into airbuses, invest in Mike Ray's latest book - available as hardcopy or a download from Amazon or Wilco.DJ

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okey, i will try doing like u said, because the tutorial that comes along, its just crap...Great forum!i agree with u. btw, its not much Airbus A330-A340 who has Wing flex, thats why i took the Wilco Series 2.Regards.

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forum for discussion on flying the wilco/feelThere Abus V1 & V2 -http://www.iemit.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=27the above will only remain active for another month-ish (july '08). a new forum is now on-line that has improved functions - http://forum.iemit.com/ (for more info about this read: http://www.iemit.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10728 )searchable forum about the wilco/feelThere Abus -http://www.iemit.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=26--

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It doesnt work because this is one of the top 3 pieces of junk released for FS. Enough said.

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I have flown the Wilco Bus both narrow and wide body ever since they were released and never had any issues with capturing glidescope or final approach providing you follow procedures.Frankly getting rather fed up with people who slag them off continually - some of us quite content and know what we are doingJohn

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I can but agree.Ok the wilco busses are not true to life. They have some quirks that makes them different (both in procedure and in figures) from the real busses but that doesn't mean they are unflyable.When you follow procedure (wilco procedure that is and not real life) they fly an almost perfect approach.I have from Wilco also the erj-145 and the CRJ and they both have the same 'problem'. If you are looking for a true life experience, walk on, but when you can see through the veil of the discussion over what is real or not, they are fun to fly.At least I have fun flying them.Luc BrusselmansBelgium

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If you fly it properly there are no problems. The AP is not fubar.The ones complaining are the ones who haven't learnt how to operate it yet. I have never had a problem landing the Wilco 320.

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The Wilco FeelThere Airbus is basically the only available Airbus right now.I'm not quite so sure why so many are against it as it works fine for me. Cheers,Bryan

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For all of those who are saying they don't have any major problems with the autopilot, I have a question. When you have entered a flightplan, after take-off, does the plane have trouble following waypoints? In my experience, it overshoots the waypoints, and then corrects it a little later. This is especially evident when flying a SID/STAR and the waypoints are close together. I ask this because I'm not sure if it is user error of if it's the plane's fault.Thanks for any help.

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Because it doesn't simulate the Airbus FBW. Most of the systems are not simulated and the FMC is a joke. But if you like to push dummy switches, like any other FT release, that's fine tho. There are much better airliner simulations and they are freeware. I'd take the PT154, Ifly 744 or the Tinmouse 732 over any FT prodcuct anytime. Oh you were selling an add-on for the FT A320, right? Perhaps that is why it's working fine for you..

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the wilco/feelThere abus V1 & V2 does simulate FBW. does it cover 100% of what the FBW system does no the real planes? no. over 95% correct for all non-failure normal law situations.--edit: clarity--

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How do you measure that your FBW simulates the real thing by "over %95" is beyond me but there is one thing I know that it doesn't simulate the FBW more than %1 percent than the good old PSS A320 series do.No, it doesn't even simulate the Airbus FBW as the freeware FBW utilities or the new FSX does.Since you haven't objected my comments about the systems realism vs. FT's dummy switch modelling practice, I'm taking it as a "yes, we sell you dummy panels, take it or leave it"Or would you like me to copy and paste the FBW info from the FT A320 user manual? Or perhaps a side by side comparasion sheet with the FT A320 and the real thing? I didn't think so, that'd be embarrassing..

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Just don't waste your time..You have to ask your questions to the Wilco as the Feelthere won't support their own products, even in their own forum..Just take a look at their so called un-official talk forum and the locked posts. There is a strong censoring going on to ensure that no body would talk down about their junk releases.Now I've seen their support guy (scoob) defending them here bravely, as he paid for, so be careful. And an another note, could you just take a look at his PC specs? I don't have a top notch PC, but his PC speaks for himself, he's living in the past time. He's nowhere to test or confirm any kind of customer complaints.If I were him I'd buy and install a copy (if you can find one btw) of PS1 sim rather than signing my posts with "simmer since XXX". Wake up mister, then we may talk about the realism here.. Catch the spirit, it's called the flight Simulator, not a playstation game.

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>doesn't simulate the FBW more than %1 percent than the good>old PSS A320 series do.the PSS A320/A330/A340 have no FBW logic.--

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> the PSS A320/A330/A340 have no FBW logic.Yes it has, at least as your so called "PIC approved" A320 has. PSS are not around anymore but that doesn't give you a right to talk down about them. PSS A320 wasn't a complete FBW simulation, but unlike you, they never claimed that they got it right or they got it over %95. But it was and still at par with your FBW. And IMHO, it's still way better than your A320 simulation.However, this topic is not about what the PSS A320 series have, it's about your A320.Please come back with some facts about what your product have...

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>PSS A320 wasn't a complete FBW simulationPSS is a zero-percent simulation of the FBW system as the panel has no FBW logic. if the autopilot is off the pilot must trim the aircraft.yes, the first release and early SPs of the wilco/feelThere A32x's had a bugged FBW system that has been corrected. if you have issues with wilco/feelThere's FBW post your information and how it does not follow normal law behavior in 95% of cases in a non-failure aircraft orientation for others to see your POV. again, be sure you have the latest release.i also look forward to your reviews of the PMDG, airsimmer and airlinerXP A320s.--edit: clarity--

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Mods, please lock this thread. Not only it doesn't make sense what's being discussed here, but already personal attacks...I will only state my short opinion, which I know for the fact that is true, since I flew both aircraft:PSS has NO FBW - if AP is off, it will change pitch if not trimmed correctly. Owned PSS for years...Wilco has FBW - if AP is off, it will maintain the selected pitch and roll command. I flew Wilco in normal law, and that worked perfectly. Basically, the whole flight went without any problem!All those problems arising with people are mostly due to not knowing how to configure and fly it correctly. I came from PSS, and started/flew/landed Wilco without ANY manual.

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>For all of those who are saying they don't have any major>problems with the autopilot, I have a question. When you have>entered a flightplan, after take-off, does the plane have>trouble following waypoints? In my experience, it overshoots>the waypoints, and then corrects it a little later. This is>especially evident when flying a SID/STAR and the waypoints>are close together. I ask this because I'm not sure if it is>user error of if it's the plane's fault.>>Thanks for any help.This could be due to the speed. Try slowing down, especially in the star.I didn't see those occurances in level flight.

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ok maxthrust we get it, feelthere slept with your wife or something and that has led to your disgruntled attitude. you mentioned pss as a pillar of perfection and "dont trash their name" yet here you are trashing the name of another company who is actually still in business and has not quickly and quietly disavowed any knowledge of their past customers like pss did. you point to pss' perfection of the fbw system and were completely proven wrong about it having any functions, then you backpedal and say how well its not 100%, but complain that neither is the feelthere model!!Find something better to do please than trash one of the few remaining addon companies who actually releases a product (here's looking at you airliner xp, that mysterious dc-10, countless others)

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>The Wilco FeelThere Airbus is basically the only available>Airbus right now.>>I'm not quite so sure why so many are against it as it works>fine for me. >>Cheers,>BryanI agree. I own both the PSS version and Feelthere version. The fellthere version operates flawlessly on my system. It is one of the better FS releases of its time and I enjoy flying it. If setup correctly, it flies like a champ.Bill M

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Really? Mine pitches up and causes a stall, unless I scramble to trim it in time. Sorry mate, but obviously some people are "getting it right" and some are not. I too have flown the PSS (yes, it does not have FBW) and have done my homework in terms of setting up the FT bird. Something in that FBW logic is flawed, why only some people are having problems - I don't know. I'm not a programmer. It's not my job to troubleshoot.Personal attacks in this thread aside, like with any payware add-on, YMMV, don't assume just cause it's working for you, everyone else must be doing something wrong :)

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>Personal attacks in this thread aside, like with any payware>add-on, YMMV, don't assume just cause it's working for you,>everyone else must be doing something wrong :)Let's just everyone fly PMDG and be happy, k?

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