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IMPORTANT WARNING re: ADOBE AIR

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I just ran across a very disturbing thread at Flightsim regarding a potential serious issue with a new graphic display program called Adobe Air.It apparently can create serious issues with your .air files.This is apparently not a hoax.I recommend reading the entire thread:http://forums.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?t=186262It just may save you some grief.

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>I just ran across a very disturbing thread at Flightsim>regarding a potential serious issue with a new graphic display>program called Adobe Air.>>It apparently can create serious issues with your .air files.>>This is apparently not a hoax.>>I recommend reading the entire thread:>>http://forums.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?t=186262>>It just may save you some grief.If this is true, this is very serious as more and more sites will undoubtedly adopt this technology, especially from a company like Adobe. Complaints from the community forums will help, but whats really needed is help from Aces, as it directly affects the continued usability of their product globally. I think we need Phil Taylor's help on this one!!! It's likely to affect FSX also!!

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Hi.I don't know if anyone is interested or not, but here goes.I went to my Add Remove programs, selected "Adobe Air" from the list then hit "Remove" and said YES to "are you sure etc"Then I ran CCleaner (a Very good little utility) and hey presto, the funny looking brown .air file scheme had gone.When I double clicked on an .air file, it asked me to specify a program from the list to open it with, so I just clicked on Notepad and put a tick in Always use this program, and all seems to be well again.The worst thing is that I did at No Time select or opt to install this item, and I am very very careful with what I install on my system.I know that Adobe wouldn't want to mess up our systems, but they Should have given us the Option during any new version of acrobat to install this program, or at the very least told us about it's installation and what it is for.Adobe have been around for a long time, so has FS, so I find it quite intriguing that No-One has realised the problems this has caused for how many FS users ?Just an info shot for you, hope it helps in some small way.Thanks.

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Quick question, how would you know if your files are corrupted? Would FS give you errors?

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>Quick question, how would you know if your files are>corrupted? Would FS give you errors?I can only speculate that if your air file for a particular aircraft has been compromised you would likely not be able to fly the aircraft correctly as much of the data which affect flight dynamics is housed in the air files.I sure do not want to find out the hard way!

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According to a new post at Flightsim, the Adobe Air program is a part of Adobe 9.quote...........Be advised that Adobe Air is also part of the new version of Adobe reader Version 9.It includes Acrobat.com which itself contains Adobe Air.So it might be wise to wait a little longer to migrate from version 8 to version 9 on Adobe reader.end quote.Until such time as this matter is resolved, I will certainly not update my Adobe Reader.

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>Be advised that Adobe Air is also part of the new version of>Adobe reader Version 9.>>It includes Acrobat.com which itself contains Adobe Air.>>So it might be wise to wait a little longer to migrate from>version 8 to version 9 on Adobe reader.>>Until such time as this matter is resolved, I will certainly>not update my Adobe Reader.Thank you indeed for the heads up. I'm staying with my old Adobe 7, no upgrade for me. I mean, who would of guessed Adobe??This has been a sort of paranoia for me since a while. I question everything I install that might affect FS9 in any way. If it touches FS then it goes away :-hangEDIT: Spelling

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I have downloaded over 175 aircrafts and ad ons,all of a sudden all of my new downloaded aircrafts are indicated damaged Air files and that I shouild request a new air file which is almost impossible because not every body list their addresses with their creations. Please help.Is FS telling him that his airfiles are damaged and that he should request new ones?!I tried the Adobe Media Player once and it gave Adobe icons to the .air files. (It sucked, removed it and the icons were gone.) I upgraded to Adobe Reader 9 when it came out. Adobe Air and Acrobat.com are listed in Add/Remove Programs. But I have never experienced any issues whatsoever.*Shrugs*

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Just a quick update on this issue. Mike McCarthy and a couple of other folks at FlightSim.com are working on a fix for this problem. Mike is corresponding directly with Phil Taylor and Adobe. Thus far the response, from Phil, has been that it's something we need to deal with. Mike is very experienced in these matters and has generously offered to not only carry the ball on this but, also is using his system as a guinea pig of sorts in an effort to find a fix. Given that we will need to deal with Adobe on this, having Mike act as a single point of contact is a good plan, IMHO. If anyone here would like to contribute their experience or insights to the project, we would be grateful if you would post on the thread there as well. The link is posted in Opa's first post in this thread. With any luck, a cooperative effort within the community will get this issue resolved before it becomes a nightmare for alot more people.It is also recommended to avoid updating Adobe reader to v9 until the situation is resolved. Thanks.Regards,Jeff

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It appears that my poor choice of words may lead some to believe that I was asserting that Phil Taylor is not willing to deal with this issue. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have apologized to Phil for the misunderstanding but want to be clear in this thread as well. When I said that it was something "we need to deal with" I didn't mean to imply that Phil was the issue but, rather, that it wasn't ACES or MS' doing, and that we as a community need to address the issue with Adobe. Once again, my apologies for any misunderstanding.Regards,Jeff

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Hi David,I've read all and every post on this subject I could find at the moment I write this. But it doesn't make me any wiser :-)Although I can't beat this Mike M's 45 years of experiance (?? .. No Comment), I can only think of two potential problems:1. Merely installing Adobe Air (whatever it is) changes the .air files I have on my PC.2. Installing Adobe Air changes the default association of .air files from whatever it was, to Adobe Air without asking the user.If it's 1:That the dummest move any SW developper has made in the last 10+ years. And it's certainly an alarm for us flightsimmers.That is, if they assume that nobody, up to now, has used files with the .air extension, claim proprietary use of it and act accordingly.But I find it almost impossible to believe that such a reputable company would be that stupid.If it's 2:Not very clever (to put it mildly) by Adobe, but what's the harm ??Heck, any sound program that I install asks me if I want to associate my *.wav, *.mp3, or whatever file extension, with their program.But as long as I don't open/save the .air file with the associated program, what can happen ??So before someone can explain in detail what the actual problem is in stead of just guessing (by everything that has been written about it, it almost sounds like a new "virus"), as far as I'm concerned this "issue" is a "hoax".But thanks for the warning anyway :-).. You can never be too carefull...Cheers, Rob

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I took the challenge:Downloaded and installed Air from the Adobe site.Ran FS04, planes loaded just fine.Downloaded and installed an Air program.Ran the program great!(Earth Browser)Ran FS04, planes loaded just fine. Yes, my .air files in FS are now associated with Adobe Air, but they loaded just fine.I did not:Backup my entire hard drive.Make multiple restore points. (didn't even make one)Burn my entire FS installation to DVDs.Run multiple defragments of my hard drive.Run 8 spyware programs.Anyone else?Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/

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Hi, I too upgraded to Adobe 9, several weeks ago, and was dismayed to see it had "taken over" all my .Air files. After starting fs9, and getting the corrupted air file message...I associated the .Air files back to notepad, and fs9 has run as normal ever since. In fact, I'd forgotten Adobe air was still installed till I saw this post. Russell.

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Hi Russell,Thank you for this. I hope you don't mind but, I copied your post over to the Flightsim thread. It seems this is the consensus opinion thus far.Best Regards,Jeff

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>Hi,> I too upgraded to Adobe 9, several weeks ago, and was>dismayed to see it had "taken over" all my .Air files. After>starting fs9, and getting the corrupted air file message...I>associated the .Air files back to notepad, and fs9 has run as>normal ever since. In fact, I'd forgotten Adobe air was still>installed till I saw this post. >>Russell.Just curious why you associated air files with Notepad since they cannot be read or edited with it.I have mine associated with AirEd - the program which is specifically designed to read/edit them.

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Jeff...no, I don't mind at all. "Opa"....You're perfectly right. Notepad was the first thing that came in my head in my panic when I saw what Adobe Air had apparently done. It worked..so I left it. Only 30 minutes ago, I needed to check an Air file...and of course, had to associate them with AirEd. fs9 still worked fine, so I came back to this thread to report..and saw your post. So yes..AirEd is the one to go for.Russell.

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I just visited the Adobe site and this is what I found regarding Adobe Air:quote:Flight Simulator XAdobe Air is reported to take possession of the .air extension when installed. If you are a user of Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 or Microsoft Flight Simulator X, the installation of Adobe Air will cause aircraft files to be misinterpreted as Adobe Air files. This causes Flight Simulator to incorrectly report corrupted .air files. The solution is to uninstall Adobe Air.end quote:The solution seems simple enough.Hope this helps.

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Hi there,sorry but I disagree.First off, the only site I found that carries that specific quote is Wikipedia's Adobe Air entry - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Integrated_Runtime - not the official Adobe website. Here's what an Adobe staff member posted today in response to a similar user report on their website:"The conflict with FS is only over which program opens files with the .air extension. Adobe AIR is in no way corrupting any of the existing FS .air files.What AIR is doing is attempting to read those files when they're opened and, since they aren't really Adobe AIR .air files, displaying an error message. Any user can change this behavior by re-associating .air with a different application.Again, Adobe AIR is absolutely *not* corrupting these files."Source: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/for...hreadid=1389507In other words, there is no real problem other than FS users taking an Adobe Air error message for an FS error message and acting on that. Thus, it's a matter of educating FS users, not of removing Adobe Air, which appears to be part of an increasing number of web applications making it difficult NOT to use it, directly or indirectly.Cheers, Holger

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My apologies for citing the wrong source.I had visted so many Adobe related sites seeking a correct answer thta I did not realize I was now on the Wikipedia site.Bottom line - as Holger so correctly points out, Adobe AIR is not ccorrupting our air files - just displaying a error message which can easily be misinterpreted.

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I agree. I've used FoxIt for quite a while now. It's not invasive (as adobe is), and I've never had a problem of any sort. Adobe Reader is more bloatware than anything else.DougEdited 'cause I can't spel

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OK. I did some snooping around in my system and what I've found there is that .air files are registered to the Adobe Air Installer Package in the registry and if you right click and check the 'Properties' for these files, under the 'General Tab' of each aircraft's .air file it reports it this way:'Types of file: 'Installer Package''Opens with: Adobe AIR Applicator'There's also that little brown box icon listed before each .air file in the FS9 directory.When I installed Adobe Reader 9 in July, there was only a cryptic install question about if you wanted to be able to view Adobe Reader in a frame and I checked 'no', no other install requests popped up. Still, Adobe Air shows up in Add/Remove Programs and Acrobat.com icon is sitting on the desktop. I think that Adobe should have had a full separate install for this program and lets us make the decision whether to install it or not, not bozo it onto our systems without more information. Let us have some control over our own systems. It makes me mad that Adobe just assumed we would want this program in the first place. Sheeeeesh!I have been running FS9 without any problems or error messages so far. My question is should I uninstall Adobe Air or leave it? Can I or should I manually re-associate all my aircraft's .air files with the proper application or will that cause problems with Adobe AIR? And what is the proper application to associate the .air files to in this case?Kim

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