mgh, Internet aside for the moment...if you've been victimized by any crime some level of policing is welcome - to most. Consider property crime for instance. But the consequences of overzealous policing are very real and very troubling. This is something free nations deals with on an ongoing basis. ...Finding that elusive acceptable balance. Human institutions are never perfect, so constant vigilance is req'd. While I agree with your comment...it's not a case for a complete dismissal of the role of policing in software piracy. To me slippery slope arguments don't mean we don't take action.Danny

Would you accept the police being given the power to enter your house without warning at any time of day or night to search it for evidence of criminality without any justification?

Would you accept the police being given the power to enter your house without warning at any time of day or night to search it for evidence of criminality without any justification?

Absolutely not

I'm arguing nothing. Simply making statements in much the same way as others this thread. Don't like them or agree then ignore them. This not a personal debate forum and the subject is piracy.Every piracy thread I've ever participated in turns out to be another point/counterpoint on whether folks have morals, ethics, and responsibility or if thieves can be legally stopped or punished..Further to the point, after seeing a multitude of these types of threads I confess that I've gleaned no actual effective solution that would not cost me two arms and one leg in terms of cash outlay and valuable time and energy.We do however have some experimental solutions that look very promising and we've hinted at that in the other recent piracy thread.This one seems to be yet another exercise in futility or a least another opportunity for some to show off their knowledge or expertise.Do you have skin in this game? If so, what is your annual cost/loss due to theft? :(

it is just a discussion. :(Nothing gets decided here - no minds get changed.We

I'm arguing nothing. Simply making statements in much the same way as others this thread. Don't like them or agree then ignore them. This not a personal debate forum and the subject is piracy.Every piracy thread I've ever participated in turns out to be another point/counterpoint on whether folks have morals, ethics, and responsibility or if thieves can be legally stopped or punished..Further to the point, after seeing a multitude of these types of threads I confess that I've gleaned no actual effective solution that would not cost me two arms and one leg in terms of cash outlay and valuable time and energy.We do however have some experimental solutions that look very promising and we've hinted at that in the other recent piracy thread.This one seems to be yet another exercise in futility or a least another opportunity for some to show off their knowledge or expertise.Do you have skin in this game? If so, what is your annual cost/loss due to theft? :(

What does it look like this experimental solution might do for the consumers wallet? Maybe save them a few bucks each purchase, or does it add to the cost of the product. Either way I hope everyone gets behind efforts like this.

Hi,We did something with ASA that added nothing to the cost, added little work at the user end, and for the most part is working. Yes, ASA was on TPB for a time and a workaround was kind of shared, but it really limited the usage of ASA for those people.Thanks,

Hi,We did something with ASA that added nothing to the cost, added little work at the user end, and for the most part is working. Yes, ASA was on TPB for a time and a workaround was kind of shared, but it really limited the usage of ASA for those people.Thanks,

It would be great if there was a way to determine who shared this product. I won't go into detail as to what I would want done at that point, just in case we have anyone here who cries easily, but to nip this one at the source would be outstanding. Unless I'm misunderstanding how this whole piracy thing works, somebody had to have bought it legitimately in order for it to be shared.

Hi,I won't disclose the details, but you can PM me as can other commercial folks if they would like.

What does it look like this experimental solution might do for the consumers wallet? Maybe save them a few bucks each purchase, or does it add to the cost of the product. Either way I hope everyone gets behind efforts like this.

I discussed a bit of it with Geof at Oshkosh but lets just say it leans more towards "prevention of boarding of the ship" rather than chase down and prosecute "after the ship has been boarded" and "restribution of wealth" has taken place. :( The beauty is that it is transparent to legitiment users and they are not inconvenienced in any way. :(

Well, whatever this process is, you've got my applause for the effort. Same goes for every developer trying to battle these thieves.

Well, whatever this process is, you've got my applause for the effort. Same goes for every developer trying to battle these thieves.

Ditto!

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Well, whatever this process is, you've got my applause for the effort. Same goes for every developer trying to battle these thieves.

I think earlier in the thread Lord Farrington gave the wisest advice yet. I'll paraphrase and he can correct me if I get it wrong...In essence he said that those who have a commercial interest in their IP should stop examining motives and methods of thieves and and stop relying on government and the legal system to handle keeping their doors locked for them.In other words, be proactive and bold in your security schema and come up with fresh ways to keep the ship from being boarded and taken hostage.The challenge for those like Geof in the music industry are very steep but hopefully restitution on the backend will be enough to offset loss on the front end.At any rate, we, like Jim at Hi Fi, or others, are experimenting in just that manner. :(

I think earlier in the thread Lord Farrington gave the wisest advice yet. I'll paraphrase and he can correct me if I get it wrong...In essence he said that those who have a commercial interest in their IP should stop examining motives and methods of thieves and and stop relying on government and the legal system to handle keeping their doors locked for them.In other words, be proactive and bold in your security schema and come up with fresh ways to keep the ship from being boarded and taken hostage.The challenge for those like Geof in the music industry are very steep but hopefully restitution on the backend will be enough to offset loss on the front end.At any rate, we, like Jim at Hi Fi, or others, are experimenting in just that manner. :(

I hope the experiment works!In the meantime I had a beautiful flight in your Cirrus over a photoreal Colorado tonight that took my breath away.I think you deserve to be paid for such an experience.

I hope the experiment works!In the meantime I had a beautiful flight in your Cirrus over a photoreal Colorado tonight that took my breath away.I think you deserve to be paid for such an experience.

Ha ha, Was it the Turbo?I fly there as often as I can and love it. Try the CX2.0 into Aspen sometime for really challenging approach.Contrary to some opinions, we do this for the love of aviation first and the money allows us to continue to do what we love.To hear the tales of others enjoying is plenty of payment.I know this is OT and may overstep so please delete this portion if this is inappropriate.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It's my second hop with Hotfix A in place. The first officer calls don't all play at once on start up any more. Thanks! That makes for a much less shouty experience.APU start sounds have changed slightly. The starter runs for a short while longer after the APU comes on line and the READY TO LOAD indicator illuminates. Sounds good!I'm still a big fan of the new engine start sounds and the improved timing/indications. Planned for KDEN-KLAS. KDEN ROCKI7.DVC DVC.GRNPA1 KLAS. How easy is that? The FMS even plugs in the altitude restrictions for the STAR. I keep thinking to myself about the FMS, "It all works!". I can bring up PROG page 2 on the right side and change my cruising altitude on the left and watch my TOC time and distance change. But that's the point, right? It all works.Have I mentioned how much I love hand flying this aircraft? My personal procedure calls for A/P engage by 10,000 feet so I can run my climb checklist but sometimes it's hard to let go, especially when launching from 5,431 feet of elevation to begin with.Picked up KLAS wx from activesky and selected a runway and approach; I decide to fly the localizer approach to 25L. The FMS works again! But wait! Where are my landing vspeeds? The boxes are blank, even when I select AUTO.Oh yeah, I forgot to initialize the landing page again. I flopped COM2 over to AS flightwatch again to get wind and temp for KLAS, plugged them in, initialized, and up popped my vspeeds just as quick as you'd like. Love that!GRNPA ONE takes you all the way to LEMNZ, but that's well west of CROWE, the IAF for LOC 25L. With the handy flight plan review (love it!) I see that by flying the full arrival, I'll go about twenty miles past the approach IAF, so I change the flight plan to go direct GRNPA to CROWE. THE FMS WORKS AGAIN! My descent numbers change just a little as I'm cutting out four planned waypoints, two of which had speed/alt restrictions. The FMS is on it, all of that. Now I'll cross GRNPA at 11,000, then direct CROWE and PRINO at 8,000. I'm pushing buttons and staying on the flight director, bringing the speed down. Now that the brains of this operation is playing nice with me during the vertical descent, I am much better at managing the go down and slow down. It's much more pleasant for the passengers when we don't have to use speed brakes on the descent. AT PRINO I'm on the localizer and the glideslope and the runway is in sight. The autopilot is off and she's all mine. The fabulous Las Vegas Strip shimmers just beyond the airport's perimeter.You know the rest of the story. When she's at 35 flaps with trim and power right the 750 rides down that glideslope like a luxury yacht plowing through smooth water. She's yar, and she knows where she wants to be speed-wise as she's coming down the beam. Chop the power when the f/o calls fifty feet and flare slightly. Couldn't you just live in that moment of expectation before those mains roll on? I've got 10,000 feet of runway to work with and 3 high-speed taxiways to choose from so I keep the nose up just a bit longer than I normally would after the speed brakes come out. It'll be induced drag, aerodynamic and mechanical braking today; I call "no reverse" as the nose wheel touches down. A few taps on the brakes and we easily clear at A5. Again, it's much more pleasant for the passengers when we don't have to deploy the buckets.So anyway, that was my flight. Now I'm kicked back in the lounge, deciding where I'll go next...