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Hi, just curious to know what is the most recomended defrag software. Would Ultimate Defrag be the one?Thanks,Bill

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Hi, just curious to know what is the most recomended defrag software. Would Ultimate Defrag be the one?Thanks,Bill
Hello BillFor flightsim use either Ultimate Defrag or O+O , use the name defrag method and move your flightsim directory to the outer (faster) area of the disk.Diskeeper is a fine product, but as far as I know it cannot defrag by name order.

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Thanks for the response guys, will try out Ultimate Defrag

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MyDefrag--works great and it's free.
As with most things in life, you get what you pay for. In the case of MyDefrag, as with most (all?) free defraggers, there is no offline defrag mode which means that it cannot defrag your paging file or master file table. There are other system files that also must be defragged offline but the two I mentioned are the ones that most affect system performance.I use PerfectDisk for the offline defrags and O&O Defrag for the online stuff. If I had to pick only one it would be O&O, which can do some of the offline stuff but not all of it. I long ago stopped using UltimateDefrag. It sounds like a neat idea but in practice the exotic things it is capable of doing make no observable performance difference -- and it was buggy.

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Wrong:http://www.mydefrag.com/FAQSpecialFiles-Ho...heSwapfile.htmlAnd how much did you pay for UltimateDefrag? That's right--you get what you pay for.
You need to learn some manners, Jim. "Wrong" is a strong word and I expect that you're either going to retract it or look very rude indeed. Anyway, you're right about one thing. Ultimate Defrag was a waste, one of the several defraggers I bought for purposes of review over at FlightSim.Com. The others are not a waste. (Only once have I ever accepted a freebie, Jim. It was an unsolicited submission from the PerfectDisk folks, who wanted to make sure that I reviewed their product. Have you ever accepted freebies, Jim? Other than the joystick and copy of AirBoss that you faked me into sending to you, that is? And when are you going to send those back to me, by the way?)As regards defragging of pagefile.sys, the only way to tell how good a job was done is to use a different program to report on the state of the pagefile. As it happens, Ultimate Defrag does this -- and it always tells me that PerfectDisk is doing a perfect job. O&O always says the same thing.By the way, what does your favorite freeware defragger do about the Master File Table? You know, Jim, $MFT? The on disk data structure that, if severely fragmented (as it becomes over time), bogs the file system, dramatically slowing file accesses for, say, scenery files?Do tell us about that, Jim, because the issue is kind of crucial. And when you discover that I'm right, don't forget to post as follows ...YOU ARE RIGHT, MIKE!EDIT: I should explain to the readers that the MFT is the system's multi-level index into the set of files, both system files and, more importantly, user files. If the MFT is severely fragmented, file access times go way up. Defragging pagefile.sys is relatively easy so many programs do it. Defragging the MFT is much more difficult so relatively few developers bother to try.

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I have O&O 8.5 (no money to upgrade and why would I?), but I worry when i use it. On both my computers, after using O&O, I've had errors and even BSOD pop up. Everything is fine for the defrag, but once I reboot, even without offline defrags, I will have issues. I haven't wanted to use it for about a year. No other time do I get BSOD and I know it's the O&O program. It happened on both this computer and my old machine which was a completely different build.

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Your alpha build of Air Boss was deleted a very long time ago, ghostware doesn't need to be returned. The joystick you purchased for me is working just fine.OK, wrong, MyDefrag can defrag the the page file:http://www.mydefrag.com/FAQSpecialFiles-Ho...heSwapfile.html
I want the joystick back, Jim. Are you going to send it to me? At your expense? If not, why not?And define "ghostware", Jim. Let's have a debate about that. For example, does "ghostware" refer to software you've never developed? (And why haven't you ever developed any, Jim? If you had, your contempt for me might be more understandable.)Or does "ghostware" refer to the software I've decided to hold back from the market because I have something much better up my sleeve? Something completely unrelated to flight simulation? And something that won't require support?)
I have O&O 8.5 (no money to upgrade and why would I?), but I worry when i use it. On both my computers, after using O&O, I've had errors and even BSOD pop up. Everything is fine for the defrag, but once I reboot, even without offline defrags, I will have issues. I haven't wanted to use it for about a year. No other time do I get BSOD and I know it's the O&O program. It happened on both this computer and my old machine which was a completely different build.
O&O doesn't claim to repair corrupted file systems, which is what your symptoms sound like. However, it certainly should stop defragging if it encounters crossed files or whatever. Anyway, I've not heard of your experience before, not from any other O&O user. But then I'm running version 8.6

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No, when you purchase something for someone and things don't work out the way you want, you don't get things back. That is known as an Indian giver. You are not an Indian giver, are you?

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No, when you purchase something for someone and things don't work out the way you want, you don't get things back. That is known as an Indian giver. You are not an Indian giver, are you?
See, folks? Again, no manners. I'll have to ask the Sioux in my family how they feel about the term "Indian giver". Of course if they say that they're fine with it then I'll have to apologize to Jim in this particular instance.Now, Jim ...I gave you a credit card number for you to buy the joystick. You bought it, then kept it, laughing at me. I had hoped that you would be gentleman enough to return it to the store where you bought it, for crediting back to my card. Why didn't you do that, Jim? I furnished you with the joystick so you could evaluate the product. You didn't evaluate it, you simply contemptuously thanked me for the joystick.Do you remember that, Jim?

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Jim and Mike, take this private.
Yes, we've had our say, thank you. Now ... I want to make something clear to the readership:There's nothing wrong with reviewers accepting free copies of software for review purposes. It's ethical and it's moral. However, it's not "me". By not accepting freebies I'm able to avoid even the hint of bias, and that's how I like things to be.The one exception is the situation I noted above, PerfectDisk. I accepted the freebie and I use it today. However, even though it keeps offering to upgrade itself I never allow it to.

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What settings do I use to place the FS files on the outside of the drive via ultimate defrag?

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What settings do I use to place the FS files on the outside of the drive via ultimate defrag?
I have a series of pdf tutorials they sent me to do this, specifically for FS. I'll send them to you if you want - just PM me your e-mail address.

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Hey Mike,Thanks for the heads up on PerfectDisk. Seems like a good addition to my system!

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Hey Mike,Thanks for the heads up on PerfectDisk. Seems like a good addition to my system!
You're welcome. However, be advised that PerfectDisk will not do an alphanumeric sort of the files on the drive, which is why I use O&O in conjunction with PerfectDisk. The alphanumeric sort speeds FS's search through its own scenery indexes, tending to reduce (but not necessarily eliminate) scenery stutters.So again, I use PerfectDisk for the offline stuff and O&O Defrag for the online stuff (SPACE followed by NAME). But again, if I could only choose one it would be O&O.

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Hello,Defragging or notWhat are the gains .. etc ..It's a old debate ...It's many defrag softwares (freewares and paywares)My question is what they give me as gains for FS2004?My own experience show pratically no gains at all :)You will see a gain if you defrag a disk who have more than 50% fragmentation. !!For FS2004 it's will be a little little more speed when loading the game.Game performances will be not affected (no gains)Defragging the Pagefile is useless (at least under WinXP .. my OS)After a offline defrag of the pagefile and a reboot .. you will seen your pagefile is already fragmented again more than 50 % (pagefile managed by Windows XP)One must think about the writing-reading speed of the actuals HD heads .. and put this in balance with defragging.The performaces gains of defrag are only mesureables with benchmark softwares .. cause they are very thin.Regards.bye.gifGus.

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Hello,Defragging or notWhat are the gains .. etc ..It's a old debate ...It's many defrag softwares (freewares and paywares)My question is what they give me as gains for FS2004?My own experience show pratically no gains at all :)You will see a gain if you defrag a disk who have more than 50% fragmentation. !!For FS2004 it's will be a little little more speed when loading the game.Game performances will be not affected (no gains)Defragging the Pagefile is useless (at least under WinXP .. my OS)After a offline defrag of the pagefile and a reboot .. you will seen your pagefile is already fragmented again more than 50 % (pagefile managed by Windows XP)One must think about the writing-reading speed of the actuals HD heads .. and put this in balance with defragging.The performaces gains of defrag are only mesureables with benchmark softwares .. cause they are very thin.Regards.bye.gifGus.
Don't let XP manage the pagefile size. What I do is set it to manually controlled, maximum size, and then defrag it offline using PerfectDisk. With it having been defragged, and with its size never changing, it will not re-fragment.Defragging by itself may not show much performance improvement in the usual sense but if you do the alphanumeric sort I recommended then you should see an improvement in scenery stuttering.If you don't want to do any of this, that's fine too. It's not really a system integrity issue.

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Hello,

manually controlled
Again .. this is a old debate.One must think about when a program will begin to use the pagefile ? (for run .. not for start .. as some programs need absolutely a presence of a pagefile // BTW FS2004 don't need a pagefile for start or run)The answer is generally when it's a lack of RAM And when using the pagefile .. if it's a game .. you can be sure it will run like a slideshow.
scenery stuttering
I have not scenery stuttering at all.Of course I don't fly big airports with full AI and online real weather.I fly with settings and in locations corresponding to my hardware setup.You can't make the same full speed with a VW Beatle than a Ferrari.Anyways .. you can always adapt the game to your hardware ... or adapt the hardware to your game .. this will avoid frustrations.Regards.bye.gifGus.

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Hello,Again .. this is a old debate.One must think about when a program will begin to use the pagefile ? (for run .. not for start .. as some programs need absolutely a presence of a pagefile // BTW FS2004 don't need a pagefile for start or run)The answer is generally when it's a lack of RAM And when using the pagefile .. if it's a game .. you can be sure it will run like a slideshow.I have not scenery stuttering at all.Of course I don't fly big airports with full AI and online real weather.I fly with settings and in locations corresponding to my hardware setup.You can't make the same full speed with a VW Beatle than a Ferrari.Anyways .. you can always adapt the game to your hardware ... or adapt the hardware to your game .. this will avoid frustrations.Regards.bye.gifGus.
If you're happy with the performance of your computer when running FS, and if you're happy with the number of applications you're able to have open at any moment, who am I to disagree?

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