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Couple ?'s before I open my boxed 747

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After all these years I decided to finally buy the 747 since I found a copy at Fry's today in Dallas for $29.99, however I have a couple of questions before I open the box since that will void a return.1. Since I bought this as a boxed product from a retailer rather than the online PMDG shop, how do I go about registering it so that I can receive support if needed?2. Is the boxed version upto date or do I need to download the update found in the the PMDG shop?3. Lastly and I know this is a hard question to answer based on so many variables, but as an owner of the J41, how many FPS can I expect to lose of the top with the 747 as compared to the J41? In the J41 I have the external model and VC model turned to low with icing effects off. I also have the guage refresh rates set at 94% for the left EHSI and EADI and set to 0 for the right side. With these settings at FSDT's KDFW I can maintain around 25-30 FPS, what should I except to lose in the 747? If its around 5 FPS I can live with that but if its going to be more like 10 to 15 FPS then it will be something I will have to give further consideration before I crack the box open.Thanks in advance for the help.Sean Campbell

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i know the answer to no. 2. The Boxed version, published buy aerosoft, is the latest version (2.1 i believe)

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In regard to your 3rd question, the 747X will have significantly lower framerates than the J41. However, if you buy the 747-8 expansion, then fly with the new 747-8 models, the framerates are fairly good.

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In regard to your 3rd question, the 747X will have significantly lower framerates than the J41. However, if you buy the 747-8 expansion, then fly with the new 747-8 models, the framerates are fairly good.
Yeah that's what I was afraid of, although its hard to guage what you would said would be significantly lower FPS (minus 15 to 20 FPS?). Frankly I kind of bought it just because I was able to find one of the boxed copies for $30 and I have been curious for a long time about this a/c, otherwise I probably wouldn't have paid full price, and honestly I have no intention of buying the 747-8 extension just to get better FPS in the VC.I'm guessing I shouuld just return it since I probably wont use it much anyway once the NGX comes out anyway.I will wait until tomorrow and see if anyone else chimes in with their experience with it before I take it back.Regards,Sean Campbell

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On question #3: My system is not far off from yours, certainly less capable in some areas (Intel Q9550, Nvidia 9800GT (1GB DDR3), 6GB DDR2, Vista64, FSX). I have both products, and find that the 747-400 and 800 are slightly less of a hit on frames simply by the way I use it. The 747 has 2d panels available that I run off of a second monitor. The Jetstream, with VC only, I end up putting a closeup view of the instrument panel on my secondary monitor, and then switch between VC and external views on the primary. With 2 VC’s open, I certainly take a bigger hit with the Jetstream than the 747. My settings for the Jetstream are similar to yours as well, although I do have icing on. Even with a system that certainly needs updating, I find that both are very usable, and simply adjust sliders as required if I am flying out of a complex airport. That being said, the MD-11 still works the best for me – or more correctly, the way I use 2 monitors and a mix of 2d screens and the VC. I enjoy all 3 planes though, and find all are very useable on my system.

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Yeah that's what I was afraid of, although its hard to guage what you would said would be significantly lower FPS (minus 15 to 20 FPS?). Frankly I kind of bought it just because I was able to find one of the boxed copies for $30 and I have been curious for a long time about this a/c, otherwise I probably wouldn't have paid full price, and honestly I have no intention of buying the 747-8 extension just to get better FPS in the VC.I'm guessing I shouuld just return it since I probably wont use it much anyway once the NGX comes out anyway.I will wait until tomorrow and see if anyone else chimes in with their experience with it before I take it back.Regards,Sean Campbell
Sean!...don´t throw this oportunity away! The 747 is still one of the very best ac there is. I don´t use FSX, but FS9 and I have also the MD11 which is equal. My 767 levelD comes at 3th place.The 747-400X can´t be bad in FSX...../ Leffe

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- keep it. Or sell it to me. I would be glad to have got it for sucha good deal. I would love to own her for FSX. Hands down I would also purchase the LCF too.

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I bought the boxed version from Best Buy the day it hit the shelves. It runs fine if you don't have crazy loads of scenery AI traffic and weather. On a good day in KFLL from FSDT I can get 22 max frames....it usually avg. around 17. Honestly, I have the refresh rates up on max for the displays as well. That being said, Get the product. Its a steal and I know a couple 747 pilots who say the systems act the exact same way in the real plane. Also to get support, just ask and sign your real and full name to each post like any other user. YOu will have to type in a validation code which comes in the box. Over all I rate my experience 8 out of 10. Being the FPS ( which arent bad at all) and the fact that you still have to download most of the liveries. There are some that are included on the disc but not all.

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After all these years I decided to finally buy the 747 since I found a copy at Fry's today in Dallas for $29.99, however I have a couple of questions before I open the box since that will void a return.1. Since I bought this as a boxed product from a retailer rather than the online PMDG shop, how do I go about registering it so that I can receive support if needed?2. Is the boxed version upto date or do I need to download the update found in the the PMDG shop?3. Lastly and I know this is a hard question to answer based on so many variables, but as an owner of the J41, how many FPS can I expect to lose of the top with the 747 as compared to the J41? In the J41 I have the external model and VC model turned to low with icing effects off. I also have the guage refresh rates set at 94% for the left EHSI and EADI and set to 0 for the right side. With these settings at FSDT's KDFW I can maintain around 25-30 FPS, what should I except to lose in the 747? If its around 5 FPS I can live with that but if its going to be more like 10 to 15 FPS then it will be something I will have to give further consideration before I crack the box open.Thanks in advance for the help.Sean Campbell
1. You're covered, just submit a ticket at our support site and select the CD version option.2. Fully up to date, yes.3. I think you'll be ok on FPS - the J41 is fairly heavy on it as well. If you want to get some FPS back actually, getting the -8 addon helps, the external model is done using some newer methods and it actually speeds up the performance, even in the VC.

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Thanks for all the input guys, it really makes me lean towards opening it and giving it a shot.Ryan, as far as getting the -8 addon to help the VC FPS, could I just go into the model cfg and // the external model to save the same FPS?Also aside from submitting a ticket, can I get support on this board for it even though it has the Aerosoft logo on it? I would prefer to come here for support rahter than to Aerosoft's board.

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Also aside from submitting a ticket, can I get support on this board for it even though it has the Aerosoft logo on it? I would prefer to come here for support rahter than to Aerosoft's board.
I dont know where you see Aerosoft, unless it is on the box. In that case, Aerosoft boxed the product, but it is all PMDG. The forum has the AVSIM logo on it, different from Aerosoft.

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Yes, Aerosoft boxed the product and made the installer from what I understand. If you go to the Aerosoft website they offer support for the product as well, but frankly I try to stay away from having to use or buy anything from Aerosoft if at all possible. That's why I was wondering if aside from getting support from them, I can get it on this forum also. Ryan said that I could open a ticket, but I was more or less talking about if I have questions, can I post them in the forum here.Also I would like to head back from Ryan regarding the question I had about //'ing the external model and if that will improve FPS aside from buying the -8 addition. Frankly I dont think I want to put more money into this plane since I probably wont even touch it once the NGX comes out, but if disabling the external model will save some FPS then its worth it to me since I stay in the VC most of the time.

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No matter the framerate hit, the 747X is one of the best addons ever created. Some people are picky and say the VC is outdated but I find it still to this day one of the best. And the night lighting is perfection. Go install it asap!

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Thanks for all the input guys, it really makes me lean towards opening it and giving it a shot.Ryan, as far as getting the -8 addon to help the VC FPS, could I just go into the model cfg and // the external model to save the same FPS?Also aside from submitting a ticket, can I get support on this board for it even though it has the Aerosoft logo on it? I would prefer to come here for support rahter than to Aerosoft's board.
I'm honestly not sure you can even do that Sean - there's a lot of functions in the panel that are tied directly to model animations, lighting etc. I can ask Vin though.

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You can disable the VC using the Fuel loader (with FSX not started).

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Well, I decided to go ahead and open the box and install it last night.I must say, I am quite surprised how good the FPS are. I did a quick demo flight from Oklahoma City to FSDT's KDFW and was surprised that on final I was getting about 23 to 28 FPS pretty consistant. Given FPS that high, its really not much different that what I get in the LDS767 and PMDG J41.I guess I did a lot of worrying about nothing based on all the talk I have heard in the past about it being an FPS hog. Franklky the FPS seem fine, but the 747 does seem to be a little bit of a memory hod when switching views. I may need to start looking for some DXT3 textures to see if I can lighted the load on memory.I do have one issue with the plane though. When I land and the spoilers deploy it makes a funny sound that is really hard to describe. I also hear the sound when comming out of reverse thrust and the spoiler are returned to the normal state. The only thing I can think of to describe the sound is from the old game PacMan, when Pacman would eat the fruit, thats the sound my spoilers make.Also I am not sure if the FMC screen should go black for a second or two after I press the EXEC key, unless perhaps thats how it is in real life, but it does return to normal after the brief black screen in the window.If needed I can open a thread in the 747 support area for that.Aside from the sound issue I am enjoying the plane so far. All the years I spent in the LDS767 seem to have made the transition a lot easier to get started in this bird. Now I just need to read the PDF's to get familiar with all the little things.Regards,Sean Campbell@Yos - No, I dont want to disable the VC, just the passenger cabin and external model. There's no way after the last 2.5 years of flying VC's that I would return to 2D panels. That would almost be like asking me to return to FS9, which I will also never do :-)

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When I land and the spoilers deploy it makes a funny sound that is really hard to describe. I also hear the sound when comming out of reverse thrust and the spoiler are returned to the normal state. The only thing I can think of to describe the sound is from the old game PacMan, when Pacman would eat the fruit, thats the sound my spoilers make.
My Queen plays this sound as well. I do not know exactly what it is, but someone else can answer that question.
Also I am not sure if the FMC screen should go black for a second or two after I press the EXEC key, unless perhaps thats how it is in real life, but it does return to normal after the brief black screen in the window.
It should. The CPU in the FMC is somewhat outdated and it takes a few seconds to process the route. This is how it is in real life.

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My Queen plays this sound as well. I do not know exactly what it is, but someone else can answer that question.
Yeah its a weird sound for a spoiler handle being moved. I guess I coud either re-name the sound file that's responsible or find another sound to replace it with. Maybe if Ryan comes to this thread again he can verify the sound.
It should. The CPU in the FMC is somewhat outdated and it takes a few seconds to process the route. This is how it is in real life.
I was thinking the same thing. The only thing in my fleet I can compare it to is the LDS767 which is pretty much instant when you press the EXEC button. Also from what I remember the FS9 PMDG 737 was pretty much instant as well. Like you said since the FMC is somewhat outdated that could be the slight pause I am seeing.

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Question- Can you purchase a boxed version from another person and register it properly in accordance with PMDG policy?PS I tried to question support-but the system was/is down.

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Also I am not sure if the FMC screen should go black for a second or two after I press the EXEC key, unless perhaps thats how it is in real life, but it does return to normal after the brief black screen in the window.
It's actually partially right in our 400 and MD-11 - the real thing gets progressively slower the longer the route is because it has to perform more calculations. A certain 737 we're making should have this completely right.Addons that have instantaneous response from the FMS definitely are not correct though, the CPUs in these things are absolutely ancient - they're extremely slow. The tradeoff though is that they're extremely well debugged and stable at this point.

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It's actually partially right in our 400 and MD-11 - the real thing gets progressively slower the longer the route is because it has to perform more calculations. A certain 737 we're making should have this completely right.Addons that have instantaneous response from the FMS definitely are not correct though, the CPUs in these things are absolutely ancient - they're extremely slow. The tradeoff though is that they're extremely well debugged and stable at this point.
Excellent reply.

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Lol, I just bought it from Fry's last Saturday. I bought it from the one RIGHT NEXT TO KDFW (a.k.a. DFW International). I didn't know about the support thing, but FPS are good on my computer.

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Just purchased this myself (Saturday night), directly from PMDG though. I ran into one ambiguity with aligning the IRS, but quickly figured out the correct procedure. The manual titled "Normal Procedures" tells you to set the IRS knobs from the OFF position, to NAV, then to ALIGN, but the "Aircraft Systems" manual gives the correct procedure of "OFF" then "NAV" only. Other than that flew two flights and made 2 horrible landings (par for the course), at least we could walk away from them. :(

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Actually, if the IRS has not aligned yet, you DO have to go into align, and then nav. So "Off, Nav, Align, Nav."

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I have to admit, when I first saw this thread (about a minute afte it was posted), I thought it had to be a joke. I mean, looking at the addons in this persons sig he is of course no stranger to addons, and especially loss of FPS, obviously. So when I read:"If its around 5 FPS I can live with that but if its going to be more like 10 to 15 FPS then it will be something I will have to give further consideration before I crack the box open"I was think'n, here we have someone that spent a large sum of coin on his hobby, yet he bought the cheapest version of one of the best addon aircraft available today and wants us to believe, he may not open what he already bought? Haha, come on, if you have a question, ask it, but doing it in a way you expect us to believe your holding your purchase hostage unless you hear what you want is a bit much I think.Well, gatta run. I just bought a cheeseburger at a reputable place down the street and want to call some friends to get their advice before I eat it :(

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