Greetings fellow simmers,I finally broke down and purchased the Milviz 310. I hesitated because I read some comments about the flight model that were not complimentary. However I find it to be very close to the real airplane. I have several hundred hours in that era 310 as I used to work for the Cessna dealer in Sacramento, CA. I evaluate flightsim aircraft based upon what it looks like from the VC, what it sounds like from the VC, and the flight model. Milviz nailed it in my opinion. The sounds are spot on. They even included the sound when you cycle the props on runup. That's a first as far as I know. The VC is very good. The flight model is excellent. So, if you want a taste of what it is like to fly a real world 310, go get it.Best regards,Bill

Thank you Bill for the kind words.I put a lot of work into the Flight Model and for me the most important parts are the edges of the envelope...both ends.So it's very accurate at and below Vmca, spins, flat spins Vne etc. and not only the performance numbers.It was definitely not easy to implement all the features Ken Stallings requested like the tendency to dutch roll and the initial yaw on take off.I'm very happy that all the nice reports and reviews come from real world pilots and even real world 310 pilots!It's a really GREAT and extremely professional team I have the honor to work with and I can assure you that the next planes will be of at least the same quality! Best regardsBernt

I hesitated because I read some comments about the flight model that were not complimentary.

I spend a lot of time in many forums daily, but haven't run across any comments that were uncomplimentary, but I'm sure there are still many hidden corners of the webiverse of which I'm unaware... :( OTOH, I would be completely unsurprised to learn that any such comments are made by folks who're either not real pilots, or have not bothered to read the extensive documentation provided. Probably both... :( Thank you very much for your positive comments and endorsement! :Applause:With the decision to release via the Flight1 system, the standard thirty-day, no questions asked refund policy provides a totally risk-free way to evaluate the product on its own merits, without the restrictions of a "demo version."

The only bug I encountered was:I turned off all systems in mid flight and tried to attempt an emergency water landing.The second I touched the water surface, the plane was shot into the sky, all engines were running again.I can be repeated.

The only bug I encountered was:I turned off all systems in mid flight and tried to attempt an emergency water landing.The second I touched the water surface, the plane was shot into the sky, all engines were running again.I can be repeated.

On my FSX set up, I have crash detection turned off (avoids phantom building crashes on the ground). Set that way, when I try to land a non-float plane on water, I'm shot back up into the shy. Maybe check your FSX settings?

Thank you Bill for the kind words.I put a lot of work into the Flight Model and for me the most important parts are the edges of the envelope...both ends.So it's very accurate at and below Vmca, spins, flat spins Vne etc. and not only the performance numbers.It was definitely not easy to implement all the features Ken Stallings requested like the tendency to dutch roll and the initial yaw on take off.I'm very happy that all the nice reports and reviews come from real world pilots and even real world 310 pilots!It's a really GREAT and extremely professional team I have the honor to work with and I can assure you that the next planes will be of at least the same quality! Best regardsBernt

Hi Bernt,On this topic, I called one of my fellow 310 drivers and told him to get the airplane. While I was on the phone with him, he suggested I saw one off right after lift off like we used to do to students. So I did. I rotated at 85 and as soon as I had 50 feet of altitude, I pulled the left mixture. Boy, did you get that right! I was one busy buckwheat until I got it cleaned up. Then it flew like it should on one engine. Great job! Thanks for all your work.Bill

OTOH, I would be completely unsurprised to learn that any such comments are made by folks who're either not real pilots, or have not bothered to read the extensive documentation provided. Probably both... :(

I agree. For example, if one chooses to add power too quickly, (like many do) the 310 will show you some real estate you didn't need to see. That's true in the real world as well as with your excellent product. The way I flew the 310 on takeoff, was to lead with the left throttle to counteract that left turn tendency, and smoothly bring the power up to about 50%. Then I glanced at the engine gauges to confirm the pressures, temps, and turns were even and correct. I then smoothly added the rest of the power. (That way, the center line was visible out the windshield.) I find the same technique works great in your product. Best regards,Bill

Bill,Thank you for your kind words and endorsement. Those really mean a lot!We anticipated that we may get a few "raised eyebrows" because frankly so few aircraft, especially piston twins, were modeled in FSX in a way I found accurate. So, we at MilViz really wanted to shoot for as much accuracy as possible, even at the risk of encountering some customer complaints.Your's is the fifth real-world AMEL feedback that has told us we got it about as right as is possible in FSX.I really do hope our customers fly the aircraft in demanding ways, pulling the critical left engine after lift off is about the most challenging thing you can do. In this way, they can learn why flying a piston twin in real life has often been called one of the most difficult pilot tasks to perform well when an engine fails, especially when single pilot in actual IMC.I think Bernt did a really grand job. I would suggest also taking the airplane to altitude, pulling an engine, and performing a Vmc demo. I think you'll find the experience faithful to the real experience you've no doubt had in actual flying. If you let the speed dip below Vmca, then you will start to enter a flat spin and it will take at least 4,000 feet of altitude to recover and you can even get a secondary traditional spin after you recover from the flat spin!BTW: Bill, living in Monument, Colorado, you are not that far away from Portales (KPRZ). If you want, you are welcome to visit Portales and I'll take you up in the real N5077J!Cheers,Ken

Your's is the fifth real-world AMEL feedback that has told us we got it about as right as is possible in FSX.

I'm not a pilot (though I would love to be), but I have to say that this airplane has become one of my favorites in FSX in the short time I've owned it. It's reassuring to me as a non-pilot to see so many comments from those familiar with the flight characteristics of the C310 talk about its flight model accuracy. I've been criss-crossing PNW with it, and having an absolute blast the whole time. Everyone involved did a spectacular job with this one.Once I'm gainfully employed again, I hope to purchase a couple of the Saitek throttle quadrants so I can experiment with the engine-out procedures, which sounds like something infinitely more enjoyable (if that's possible) in FSX than in real life.

The only bug I encountered was:I turned off all systems in mid flight and tried to attempt an emergency water landing.The second I touched the water surface, the plane was shot into the sky, all engines were running again.I can be repeated.

Yep, that's because your crash detection is off.

One of the things I have found interesting in my 30 years of flight simming is my needs for simulation have changed over the years, and with each rating I have achieved...and what we use the "simulator" for vs. a game can be very different.Since flying multi's for the last 6 years my priority using the sim has been training for cutting engines in uncomfortable realms of flight, and doing single engine instrument approaches.The Milviz 310 for me is the best simulator for this in any sim/aircraft I have ever flown. The response is very realistic, and close enough to be valuable for rw training.For those that don't fly multis-cutting an engine rw depending on the realm of flight can be dangerous, is hard on the engines, and the correct response must be drilled to be automatic and unfailing.On one of my rw flying boards a week ago a lot of multi engine pilots were moaning the fact that they don't practice engine cuts frequently enough to feel proficient and realize that if an engine failure happened and they were not on the top of their game that day they might be a statistic.I mentioned that I spend at least an hour a night doing such on the flight sim, and that my sim time cutting engines right now is probably 1000 times the rw time of doing so. I included a shot of my setup (joystick throttle quad etc.) and the response was thunderous-everyone wanted a similar setup and saw the value of doing so-at much less cost, wear to the engines rw.The fact is you can go up with and instructor-spend and hour or two doing this rw-get maybe 10-12 scenerios in, shorten your engines lives-or you can get your 10-12 scenerios in every night on the flight sim.with ease. Dealing with a dead engine is largely procedures (which the sim excels at) but the 310 also has the right "feel" which is very helpful in making the procedures feel realistic.About a year ago I realized I hadn't done it rw in about a year , and engaged an instructor to go out and do so. He spent the entire 2 hour fight cutting one engine after another in all flight realms(to my engines detriment) and after the flight asked me why I felt the need to do so since he saw no problem. I took the compliment not to my ability but to the usefulness of fsx used as a trainer.So I thank Milviz developers for giving me a tool that increases safety, saves money, and thus is a heck of a bargain.Now please develop a B55/58 Baron-probably the most desired light twin out there and not done for fsx yet (B55 never has been done at all....). I personally can't understand the reluctance of the developer market to avoid this model.Also-we need a better failure program-the fsx one is too predictable!

She truly is a great bird, and probably my favorite piston twin to date! Maybe you saw my posts about the "abnormal yaw". It has since been confirmed that it was because I didn't have P-Factor and Torque all the way to high. Once I set that, this plane performed beautifully! I'm hoping for more liveries also! I'd like to practice engine outs, but it's hard with a single throttle joystick, using the mouse to pan around the cockpit to hit buttons and work the thr. quad. Such a great add on though, and I'm so happy they went with Flight 1. I second Geofa's request for a good Baron set :)

>Now please develop a B55/58 Baron-probably the most desired light twin out there and not done for fsx yet >I second Geofa's request for a good Baron set :)I fully agree! :(

"BTW: Bill, living in Monument, Colorado, you are not that far away from Portales (KPRZ). If you want, you are welcome to visit Portales and I'll take you up in the real N5077J!Cheers,Ken"Thank you Ken. That is very generous of you. You just might see me peering through the fence at the airport one of these days.Best,Bill

I'd like to practice engine outs, but it's hard with a single throttle joystick, using the mouse to pan around the cockpit to hit buttons and work the thr. quad.

You do realize that the keyboard commands still work, right?To "cut the port engine..."E,1 (selects engine #1 control)Ctrl-Shift-F1 (cuts fuel flow instantly to engine #1)Click on lower 1/3rd of the prop pitch lever for engine #1 to "feather" the propE,1,2 (selects both engine's controls)