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Captain Sim 707 1.1 out and WOW

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Friends, the Captain Sim 707 is out with the 1.1 version as of today, with new liveries, models, a perfectly working doppler nav system and an INS to boot (which I haven't tried yet). I just finished my first test flight of the new version and had a lot of fun with this impressive bird. I'll post any problems I run across, but so far so great.

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Looks great, but the cost is prohibitive, IMO. I'd love to have it though, I just don't have the desire to spend so much right now. lol

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A masterpiece of just in time production :Big Grin:Great change list and finally some other model and liveries. Value increased, surely nice bird. Thumbs up for the company.

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I double this sentence, but point it towards another aircraft in my hangar, staying there because update 5 or so still won't make it a good buy but that's just a side topic.We're talking about a nice and detailed 707 simulation here which is in the price range of other detailed releases. What they did from 1.0 to 1.1 is amazing and while I would have called 1.0 "pricey" 1.1 changed it to "great value" if you like the steamliners (which I do of course).Using "prohibitive" disregards the value on the Captain Sim 707 in my eyes and while others release hyped stuff, they go for a really good plane with great response to customers wishes. Being updated after collecting some issues again shows how it's done. A much worse example can be imagined from the first sentence of this post.There are some companies releasing fine aircraft and Captain Sim is one of them. Sad to often read between the lines that the high prices are only allowed for the big (forum) names in the business. Open minded people welcome. Get rid of some viral marketing.

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I love my C-130X, and the 757 Pro has been good to me.. Going to have to wait it out and see what other people say about this update 1.1. I have been watching videos of this bird in action on your tube and the detail of it is stunning. For me though it is coming down to buying the 707, or getting other upcoming products that will be in a similar price range.

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Sounds good. I just stumbled upon this "prohibitive" word and wanted to offend nobody thinking about a surely high investment spoken in flight sim terms. I think I'm fighting a bit against the big names in the business (although I own their products) and the forum mentality towards them, letting no other good names come up too far (or to "pricey" as some might say).For me, there might be one flaw still present in 1.1 but I'll have to figure out if the error comes from the user or the plane (I tend to user :( ).What still impresses me after having e. g. the 767 from the beginning on (which was a huge frameeater): The performance is absolutely no problem on this bird. Even with the new 1.1 cabin enabled (nice work too) and all those little steam gauges working, I can't see any impact like I would on the first 767 releases from CS. If you can run the 727 (which everyone should, even on small systems), the 707 will do fine.The gauge update rate, an important thing especially on the needle driven items, is perfectly fluent and the visuals and atmosphere of the whole flight deck are great too.The sounds, a problem on the first 727 releases, are well done too. Every button is working, every switch has a sound.Haven't had such an immersion since that fine Concorde in FSX.

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Still don't understand how a developer is releasing a 60 euros 707 simulation with NO Vref tables... rolleyes.gifHow are we supposed to fly it??I can't operate a sim without knowing the right speed/number/settings/etc... And I really wonder how you guys do it...

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Been using this one http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=miscmisc&DLID=16528 and I still doubt that everyone around would use tables even if available. The could have included them, agreed. At least rough numbers would fit here.Some other dev (I think you know which one I'm talking about) released tools for their "tabled" stuff to avoid setting up bugs and limits. So it seems to me that this item isn't bound on prices but on virtual pilots minds and their ability to fill gaps :rolleyes:And of course I hope you don't miss the performance data on the PMDG MD11 too. I found the web very useful in such cases.

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Aaaaahhh! Finally some 707 tables... Goos stuff... Thanks a lot CoolP... And YES I think these should be included. rolleyes.gifAnd with the "other dev" tool [yes I know wich one you're talking about... ;-] at least you have something to set your TO speeds "correctly" included in the package...

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I double this sentence, but point it towards another aircraft in my hangar, staying there because update 5 or so still won't make it a good buy but that's just a side topic.We're talking about a nice and detailed 707 simulation here which is in the price range of other detailed releases. What they did from 1.0 to 1.1 is amazing and while I would have called 1.0 "pricey" 1.1 changed it to "great value" if you like the steamliners (which I do of course).Using "prohibitive" disregards the value on the Captain Sim 707 in my eyes and while others release hyped stuff, they go for a really good plane with great response to customers wishes. Being updated after collecting some issues again shows how it's done. A much worse example can be imagined from the first sentence of this post.There are some companies releasing fine aircraft and Captain Sim is one of them. Sad to often read between the lines that the high prices are only allowed for the big (forum) names in the business. Open minded people welcome. Get rid of some viral marketing.
What is it about 1.1 that makes the 707 at $80+ a "great value"? Is it the fact that it is the only one available?It looks like a real nice aircraft, but I don't see what warrants that high of a cost.Am I missing something?

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Am I missing something?
Nope... It's clearly expensive.

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I think the unspoken assumption is that $70 for a glass plane is fine whereas $70 for a mere classic is prohibitive.Do you like visuals? x4 the detail, which is value you can see on the screen, especially in the crisp VC. You won't see anything near that in offerings from developers permitted to charge that kind of price without generate complaints. The VC instruments are beautiful, with an 3D artificial horizon ball looking like you can take it and play softball with it. Everything is sharp and easy to read. Do you like failures? While not as many as some, it has more than most, with at least engine fires (only one I've discovered so far). (Better check those circuit breakers, too; while dummies the popped ones are a nice touch.) People have traditionally made a big deal about dumping fuel as the sine qua non of realisim (why, I'm not sure). Well, you can dump fuel. There' s even a little pipe you have to deploy to do it. Other touches are like this: without the hydraulic switchs turned on, you can't lower the flaps, BUT, you can if you use the alternate flap switch on the overhead.How about a working doppler navigation system? Forget about programming your route and doing sudoko the rest of the way. You have to stay on top of things in this airplane, programming the inactive channel while the active one is guiding the plane. Or, you can use the installed INS. It wasn't included at first, nor was there an intention to do so. But the fans said they wanted it and and Captain Sim responded. When a mistake with the HF antennas was pointed out, Captain Sim rushed to fix it in the update. By the way, the update for this August release was promised for September, and, what do you, it was actually delievered on time per their promise. All of a sudden, Captain Sim is the most responsive developer in the business.For me, this airplane is worth every penny. I have the PMDG MD-11, and, as nice as it is, I would get rid if it before I got rid of my 707. I have a lot of other glass airplanes and wouldn't miss it. But this is the only long-haul steam bird I've got. $70 is a lot of money, but, like a Cecil B. DeMille film, it's all up there on the screen. When I divide the price by hours of enjoyment it is still cheaper than Netflix.

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What is it about 1.1 that makes the 707 at $80+ a "great value"?
If "value" would be defined be the price only, I would understand your question. A 10 Euros addon would automatically have a higher value than the 20 Euros one and so on.But it's not so easy. It's the relationship between what you get and what you had to pay for it.I've payed nearly 40 Euros on the new Airbus and got ... well, I wrote this somewhere else I think.I've payed 60 Euros on the now 1.1 707 and got a well done aircraft coming in three variants and as far as I can see, it's working and flying just fine and as expected for one of its type.Sad enough, that the last point is one to mention nowadays and still sad enough to read that other devs can release addons in the same price range without being asked about their real value (at least in the typical forums).As mentioned earlier, 60 Euros aren't cheap in any way but they are ok for what you get with 1.1 now. In 1.0 you only had one variant, one livery and loads of flaws to be corrected. 1.1 wiped those downsides away and therefor raised the value. I understand everyone to take a closer look before spending that amount of money.My small critics just circle around the fact, that, at some devs, people just buy (maybe including me on that Airbus) and at others, they ask about "value" in some meaning.Maybe Captain Sim puts out a demo in some time like they did on the 767. Seems like a good and fair option to me.And before someone gets a "he's a CS fan guy" thinking. My last great value was experienced (and still is) on the Concorde, another great aircraft from one of the newer or smaller names in the business.Before that, Simcheck received a buy from me and just needs one patch in my eyes to be perfect (for me).Of course, I have the glassliners from the big names too and like them, but found some of them to be somehow overrated in terms of "great systems". Especially the 747 cash cow with those funny new variants still is a good plane but is loosing its value with the outdated optics, some missing details and of course the unrealistic variants with an "optics only" fitting.Not my kind of plane any more but still priced around 60 Euros here.As you can see, personal preference defines my value too.Tim, great post above. Thumbs up.

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God, my fingers are itching to get this bird. I mean,this plane looks stunning and I have heard nothing but praise. My only question: how is the performance? Flying around FlyTampa's TNCM in the CS727, I can get approximately 20FPS, although it might go down to 15 here and there. What can I expect from the 707?

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God, my fingers are itching to get this bird. I mean,this plane looks stunning and I have heard nothing but praise. My only question: how is the performance? Flying around FlyTampa's TNCM in the CS727, I can get approximately 20FPS, although it might go down to 15 here and there. What can I expect from the 707?
Performance is on a par with the 727. I keep my frames locked at 25 and might see a dip to 24 on the ground.

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Hi again,Maybe someone knows why the FO's MAGNETIC HEADING PICTORIAL DEVIATION INDICATOR (MHPDI) is showing NAV1's deviation instead of NAV2s... Maybe I missed a switch somewhere??

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Too old and expensive.
Conversation with you must be a pleasure, Sir :Just Kidding:Sorry, just wondering about every single line guy in forums, nothing personal here. Freedom of speech meats oddity of statment or so.

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I said I would report any problems, so here's a big one with 1.1, and I don't seem to be alone.There is a fatal error shortly after takeoff. So until this gets resolved, I can't recommend it. This was not a problem with 1.0, nor with the first couple of flights with 1.1. I'll wait for a fix before I try any more flying with this airplane. Maybe they tried to do too much too quickly to get a massive upgrade out the door less than a month after original release.

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Epikk, MHPDI working here. Both independently when tuning different VORs. I've tuned two VORs with DME and you can see different readouts (Course is set to 261 on both sides) on Course and DME.vorc.th.jpgThe FO showing the Nav1 values was a problem in 1.0, 1.1 fixed it on my system.Tim, can't agree on the crashes here too. Looks system dependent right now and I think the support guys are waiting for some answers asked in the thread about the random crashes :(

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Im with Tim on this, the update has some major problems, I hope CS moves fast on them as otherwise its a beautifull plane.

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