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I'd like to have an ADF in place of VOR2 to identify NDBs. Has anyone got any ideas about how that could be done ?Thanks,Jack<edit>.......but an RMI would be even better !Thanks again,Jack

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NDBs....those are still around?
For sure! Here where I live there are many of them. And I can tell you they are very useful.Two ADF aren't too much here, in fact is ideal. lol

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For sure! Here where I live there are many of them. And I can tell you they are very useful.Two ADF aren't too much here, in fact is ideal. lol
In that case, the F33 Bonanza is the better Carenado plane for you.. with two ADF radios.As for changing out the VOR2 gauge, it looks like it is part of the 3d modeland only the authors can change it..

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In the U.S. everyone hates them. Hell, I didn't even learn how to do an NDB approach lol. Are they hard to do?

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In the U.S. everyone hates them. Hell, I didn't even learn how to do an NDB approach lol. Are they hard to do?
In the U.S. everyone hates them. I'm not sure that's true. In some areas of the Northwest US and Alaska they are valuable navigational aids. In your next check ride, review them with your instructor .

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In the U.S. everyone hates them. I'm not sure that's true. In some areas of the Northwest US and Alaska they are valuable navigational aids. In your next check ride, review them with your instructor .
It's a very imprecise nav aid. Just talked to a Canadian bush pilot and he mentioned that most NDB approaches have been changed to RNAV approaches.Maintaining an NDB doesn't make much sense these days.They are rapidly being withdrawn all over the globe

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NBD's also function regularly as the initial approach fix on ILS approaches.
regularly? at which airports if I may ask?

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regularly? at which airports if I may ask?
pager94,pardon me for butting in ......bstolle, as examples, check out the LOMs at KLAX ILS Rwy 24 (278 OS) or KBOS ILS Rwy 4 (375 BO).

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pager94,pardon me for butting in ......bstolle, as examples, check out the LOMs at KLAX ILS Rwy 24 (278 OS) or KBOS ILS Rwy 4 (375 BO).
A LOM is not an IAF and I wouldn't consider 2 runways worldwide 'regularly'

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A LOM is not an IAF and I wouldn't consider 2 runways worldwide 'regularly'
True on the LOM part but as was stated, NDBs are used as LOMs on quige a few airports. However all the approaches i have seen with them, they arent used for anytbing else. NDBs are pointless now with gps and all that fancy stuff.

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A LOM is not an IAF....Yes, LOMs are probably more accurately referred to as the final approach fix (FAF), which is the point of glide slope intercept . Commonly an NDB is used in precision approaches to identify the beginning of the final approach segment.and I wouldn't consider 2 runways worldwide 'regularly' Huh?

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True on the LOM part but as was stated, NDBs are used as LOMs on quige a few airports. However all the approaches i have seen with them, they arent used for anytbing else. NDBs are pointless now with gps and all that fancy stuff.
Outside US (and other prosperous nations) some other country regulations state that a GPS shouldn't be used as a main navigation system/aid yet. Here in Brazil, for example, many airports just have one or two operational NDB.Things are fortunately changing, but down here wheels spin too slowly.

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Outside US (and other prosperous nations) some other country regulations state that a GPS shouldn't be used as a main navigation system/aid yet. Here in Brazil, for example, many airports just have one or two operational NDB.Things are fortunately changing, but down here wheels spin too slowly.
Virtually every registered aerodrome in Australia has an NDB, including the main international airports, as well as a published NDB approach. Remote aerodromes will have an NDB and RNAV approach - obviously you would select the RNAV first, however an IFR pilot in Australia is really narrowing his options if he negelected to have NDB on his Instrument Rating. I've had one for 20 years and renew it annually. They will eventually be removed, but not soon - we don't even have LPV approaches here yet!

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regularly? at which airports if I may ask?
KYKM ILS 27, uses NDB for IAP, I just used this the other day. I'm sure there are more.

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They are being phased out. (In USA)Where I work ATC one is already gone just this past year. When they break down they don't fix them anymore.I hear they're not even teaching NDB approaches anymore... Fine with me. They are a non precision approach (read highly non precision lol) and RNAV/GPS approaches are much safer and allow pilots to descend lower on the approach than with an NDB.

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They are being phased out. (In USA)Where I work ATC one is already gone just this past year. When they break down they don't fix them anymore.I hear they're not even teaching NDB approaches anymore... Fine with me. They are a non precision approach (read highly non precision lol) and RNAV/GPS approaches are much safer and allow pilots to descend lower on the approach than with an NDB.
Yes, in the US they are becoming obsolete. However in our virtual world they are still relevant as navigational aids, and show up in our airport charts as the final approach fix for precision approaches. I doubt anyone is using them for approaches, even if they were taught how.

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The figure in the "VC Diagram.pdf" below the reserve artificial horizon visible ADF indicator. The final plane, this pointer is missing. I think that the ADF was originally planned, but then the developers have abandoned it. Sorry, I prefer the traditional methods of navigation, where the ADF has an important place (GPS guided too easy for me).

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Guys, what is this rubbish about "obsolete" and "everyone hates"? NDBs are just a tool. If you don't know how to use it, then it is one less tool available to you. They also have some significant advantages beyond traditional navigation. For example, the main training area used by my local aerodrome (EIWT) has a very tall radio mast in the middle of it. Tune it in on the NDB and not only will you know when you are flying towards it (not considered clever) you also get to enjoy some light entertainment and current affairs. "I don't need no stinkin' NDB, I got GPS" - until you have a cable short, or a bird strike takes out your antenna, or you bend a pin on the removable front panel, or your licence expires, or the zoom button jams, or ... need I go on?

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Can anyone suggest how to replace the pointer VOR2 insert the index of the ADF? I can not find the pointer VOR2 in panel.cfg file.
I do not believe you can replace the VOR2 gauge - it is part of the 3d model.

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As for changing out the VOR2 gauge, it looks like it is part of the 3d model
Bugger. As posted earlier there are still many NDB's here in Australia & although the promo screen shots show a model with VH rego it's highly unlikely there would be a Baron in Australia not sporting an ADF. We have far more NDB's than VOR's.Hope they include one in a patch.

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And still I managed to insert into virtual cabin ADF, using the incorporated receiver and index ADF established in С-185. I have established it instead of GNS_2. Probably it not the best variant, however quite working. Changes in panel.cfg the following[Vcockpit03]Background_color=0,0,0 size_mm=512,512visible=0pixel_size=1024,1024texture=$Panel_baron_3gauge00=rxpgns!GNS430, 173,72,328,166gauge01=C185!adf, 173,252,328,166gauge02=BB58!Auto_taxi_onoff, 3,170,30,24gauge03=BB58!Bus_Volts, 341,1,168,66gauge04=rxpgns!GTX327, 172,428,332,82gauge05=BB58!annunciator_test, 115,171,53,53gauge06=BB58!Trim, 114,226,54,124gauge07=BB58!Flap_lights, 87,266,23,81gauge08=BB58!GEM6, 9,353,159,156//gauge09=BB58!Toggle_Gps, 247,92,189,112gauge10=BB581!fuelflow, 4,4,163,162gauge11=BB583!AirSp, 4,199,28,22That who has in hangar Carenado C-185, this way can be useful (if certainly you like use ADF). By the way same combined ADF is in Carenado Piper PA-28-181 Archer II.

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