Is simulated in ngx?

[marcon8122]

A simple question is simulated the radar altimeter problem that had caused the Turkish crash at Schipol ?

[Chock]

To accurately simulate that, you will need three people in front of your monitor not paying attention to the systems.Al

[marcon8122]

I know the episode but is a problem that afflict lots of NGX maybe could be aviable in failure settings

[fwerff]

To accurately simulate that, you will need three people in front of your monitor not paying attention to the systems.Al

[InTheAir]

To accurately simulate that, you will need three people in front of your monitor not paying attention to the systems.Al

Haha, that gave a a little chuckle, not so much a LOL but a chuckle!

[marcon8122]

So i need 3 turkish pilots ?

[michal]

So i need 3 turkish pilots ?

Yes.Or take any pilots who for example look at stewardess' legs instead of instruments, that would work too. :(

I know the episode but is a problem that afflict lots of NGX maybe could be aviable in failure settings

That was purely man-made disaster so I have no idea what you are talking about.

[ZachLW]

Lol Al. I had to look that one up to get it.I do remember a short discussion on this peculiarity. I seem to remember the answer was yes.

[CapP]

Be careful here. 9 people died in this crash including the pilots. I think it's not a subject to make fun about. Thereby: it was a combination of factors (as always) that caused this crash, not only the pilots.

[rocketfs]

To accurately simulate that, you will need three people in front of your monitor not paying attention to the systems.Al

Sorry Sir but your answer is incomplete to say the least...And off course the person posing the question is referring to the hardware part of it.Bert Van Bulck

[ZachLW]

It's humor folks, morbid or not. Get involved heavily in the real aviation community and you'll get it. :( (Or maybe not)

[teropa]

I think the OP is asking, if when the captain's side RADALT fails in a way that it displays -8', that will the A/T command IDLE (FLARE) like it did in the Turkish case.Interesting point. Provided that it's possible to fail the part in question, the behavior will be interesting to test :).Tero

[teropa]

That was purely man-made disaster so I have no idea what you are talking about.

Not quite. Man was involved in that when the HW failed, it should've been easy to prevent, but the root-cause was not in the piloting though.The disaster root cause was in the illogical way the radalt reading from the left-hand side was/is tied to the A/T logic in autoland. Apparently, as the CAPT side RADALT failed (started to show -8') during the course of the crew capturing the glideslope from above, the A/T went into RETARD (IDLE) mode and stayed there for the following 100 seconds or so, during which the airplane slowed down to around 83 kts and eventually stalled to ground. None of the three pilots on the flight deck monitored airspeed during that 100 seconds. Otherwise they would've noticed that the engines were not spooled after the G/S was captured from above.Many key factors contributing:- Repetitive RADALT failures in the NG, many times the erroneus reading was spotted by previous crews, even on many other aircraft beside the accident NG. This time the fail occurred in the worst possible time.- Capturing Glidepath from above. As jets like NG and 757 are really hard to slow down and descend, the thrust levers have probably been idle during the course of configuring aircraft (LG, flaps) and trying to descend to meet the G/S. As the GP was captured, the engines should've spooled up to counter the increased drag from LG and flaps and to maintain GP, but they never did.- Three pilots in the flightdeck is not a bonus usually when it comes to human factors.In a nutshell:- RADALT failures combined with poorly designed A/T logic- Crew failed to fly the plane- Non-standard procedure for the ILS approach- 3 pilot flightdeck = non-standard = attention easily on something else than flyingTero

[cenkcnk]

So i need 3 turkish pilots ?

Yes.Or take any pilots who for example look at stewardess' legs instead of instruments, that would work too. :(

or you had better get brains yourselves.

[Kagan Ozgul]

Completely disrespectful talking and ****.Those people tried their best to prevent the accident and maybe we can even say they saved many lives, but lost theirs.You need to grow up. It is not a joke material.Thanks teropa for a detailed explanation. Maybe someone find something to joke about in it too.