We're all stupid until told only by the Microsoft machine.

Actually I think we're all stupid until the game is released and the people that bought it post how the game actually performs.Regards, Mike Mann

...and none of us have an inside conduit of info from MS regarding Flight.

You must not know me well enough then. :(

Of course some one could have the inside track .. but odds are that 99.9% dont Also, are you saying that the guy in the video has been right previously? I know nothing of his track record .. shed some light please :(

That's not what you said about one having inside track.....re-read you post # 24 quote" and none of us have an inside conduit of info from MS regarding Flight." end of quote, now your at 0.01%First time I saw this guy and his vid. I was not aware of it before yesterday, I'm not saying that this guy as some inside scoop from MS, as I said before a lot of peoples are involve with Flight this time.My point is that from the beginning my story had not changed, when I said that add-ons from FSX will not be compatible with Flight, download will be from the MS store and not as we are doing it now including using the same engine and other stuff, peoples were saying that I was off my rockers and I can understand that, everybody is entitle to his own opinion, but when out of the blues another guy shows up on youtube saying that he got inside information and some of his information are the same as the one I gave from 10 months ago one can ask himself if this is just a pure coincidence, luck or does he really has real info.MS is not stupid, they are like other company and they will release bits and pieces to the publics from unconventional sources, do you really think that all leaks are real leaks (yes some are real leaks) without MS knowing about it?There is also what's called disinformation, a lot of company use that tool.I'm not here to say I told you so or anything like that but when I see a post like this one http://forum.avsim.n...hink-of-flight/ #8 you can't blame me for coming back a little pompous about what I said, at the end it's all done in good fun.

So far, I see no evidence that Flight has been developed from the "ground up". Ground up implies that one starts with new data structures that allow information that the old ones did not. This new information will then show up visually or in the feeling of flight.Looking at the released information, most people's first impression was that Flight is FSX with add-on quality improvements. Upon closer examination, we can see that there are new features that may not be possible to implement in FSX.Still, I am not seeing anything that cannot be accomplished with some new textures, and a few extra steps in the rendering pipeline - or by properly implementing DX10 functionality.What we are seeing though, is a number of similarities to FSX, right down to issues people have had with it. This clearly points to a far bigger reuse of the FSX code than the above quote would have us believe.Perhaps the ground up development is done on things that we have not seen yet, but that only leaves the flight model, the user interface and whatever the on-line stuff is all about.Unfortunately, from info we are getting, ATC and weather are low on the list of improvements, if they are on the list at all.

You explained my point about Flight not been from a 100% bran spanking new engine better than I could have, also keep in mind that MS will not improved Flight to the point that the developers will have nothing to improve with their add-ons, they have to make money and MS does not have all the time in the world, more developers working on add-ons = MS spending less time on Flight = faster product delivery .

That's not what you said about one having inside track.....re-read you post # 24 quote" and none of us have an inside conduit of info from MS regarding Flight." end of quote, now your at 0.01%First time I saw this guy and his vid. I was not aware of it before yesterday, I'm not saying that this guy as some inside scoop from MS, as I said before a lot of peoples are involve with Flight this time............."

I adjusted my numbers ... thats all.

I adjusted my numbers ... thats all.

Fair enough, like I said it's all done in good fun...:(

I'm not here to say I told you so or anything like that but when I see a post like this one http://forum.avsim.n...hink-of-flight/ #8 you can't blame me for coming back a little pompous about what I said, at the end it's all done in good fun.

Why exactly do you have a reason to act pompous over this? Because you throw a bunch of speculative junk and known facts at the wall and then claim superiority when some of it sticks?The idea of an online store was revealed almost immediately by MS themselves in the original FAQ. The only point where you diverge is making statements like having to pay to fly anywhere but the Hawaiian islands or your incorrect speculation of needing a constant internet connection.Many people also don't agree with your conspiracies that MS would purposely not improve Flight too much because add-on developers need to make money. If you've been around the sim industry even a couple years, you would realize that something can always be improved. Weather, textures, traffic, specific airports, utilities, add-on aircraft are things that can be improved in every simulation even if it was released yesterday. MS has plenty on their plate to not worry about holding back improvements.I also like your hot tip that MS is not stupid and likes to make a profit. That's a gem.Alain, I have to agree with folks that say you're a bit abrasive and condescending. I used to wonder why you stopped participating in the ORBX forums but I'm starting to wonder if that was not by your choice....

Alain, I have to agree with folks that say you're a bit abrasive and condescending. I used to wonder why you stopped participating in the ORBX forums but I'm starting to wonder if that was not by your choice....

I did not mean to be abrasive or condescending, sorry if I come across like that.Orbx is a great site, selling great add-ons and great peoples are members.

...add-ons from FSX will not be compatible with Flight...

But they will be! :-)I can think of no better way to guarantee a poor start for Flight than to be 100% incompatible with FSX add-ons.And since compatibility will be there, it will be of a high degree, since being compatible with just 50% (or even 75%) will sound like a cheesy rip-off.Sceneries will likely be 95%+ compatible (certain exclusions due to bad install behaviour), all aircraft relying on FSX controls and gauges will be 100% compatible and complex aircraft like the PMDG B-747-400 and A2A Accu-Sim will likely not be compatible. Gauges relying on external DLLs will likely all need to be upgraded. And of course you will also need to upgrade from FSUIPC4 to FSUIPC5.Cheers,- jahman.

But they will be! :-)I can think of no better way to guarantee a poor start for Flight than to be 100% incompatible with FSX add-ons.And since compatibility will be there, it will be of a high degree, since being compatible with just 50% (or even 75%) will sound like a cheesy rip-off.Sceneries will likely be 95%+ compatible (certain exclusions due to bad install behaviour), all aircraft relying on FSX controls and gauges will be 100% compatible and complex aircraft like the PMDG B-747-400 and A2A Accu-Sim will likely not be compatible. Gauges relying on external DLLs will likely all need to be upgraded. And of course you will also need to upgrade from FSUIPC4 to FSUIPC5.Cheers,- jahman.

this is a funny one ... the people buying Flight, in big numbers, dont have addons

And in answer to the question then relating to FSX:

For a brand new project (ie something that was not written for FS9 and therefore has no previous dependency on FSUIPC) are there any major plusses to using FSUIPC?

Pete Dowson answered "No".http://www.newsite.f...ead.php?p=73110

You must not know me well enough then. :(

With all due respect mate. I know you are very passionate about this next version of FS but could you keep your delusions out of this forum.

With all due respect mate. I know you are very passionate about this next version of FS but could you keep your delusions out of this forum.

Agreed! This forum must not contain any delusions or speculations; only factual information should be dispensed.:rolleyes:Regards, Mike Mann

With all due respect mate. I know you are very passionate about this next version of FS but could you keep your delusions out of this forum.

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With all due respect mate. I know you are very passionate about this next version of FS but could you keep your delusions out of this forum.

Have a sense of humor. :( Saying something only caused the topic to get further off of the discussion and the others to post their immature little "+1s"....which just makes this thread go even further off track. And, um....I created this thread in the first place!Now, BACK ON TOPIC, PLEASE. :(