Tiger Airways, an airline that flies both domestically in Australia and internationally to Singapore (where the company is based) was recently banned from flying any of its aircraft in Australia domestically. It does not affect the international arm of the airline. Apparently they've breached numerous safety regulations, such as flying too low approaches more than once and were served with a warning by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority of Australia (CASA) not long ago. Now they've been banned as the authority isn't confident that the airline has addressed all of the concerns in the previous warning. Now this story comes today in the newspaper...http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/tiger-flight-had-wrong-database-info/story-e6freuy9-1226089889137Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like the aircraft was using an outdated AIRAC cycle? I thought these were updated religiously on a monthly basis? In any case, it looks as if the airlines' days are numbered. Ansett Airlines here in Australia collapsed six months after a similar action by CASA many years ago.

Don't remind me haha, I was booked with them to fly to Melbourne with a group of friends Friday this week. I wanted to fly virgin but ended up being convinced to take the same flight as them and what a mistake that was, luckily I got cheap flights with QANTAS and am looking forward to my weekend away. I think your right mate tigers days in Australia are numbered. I'd expect they won't recover from this. Regards, Luke Stevens YSSY

Only flown with them twice in 2010 from Sydney-Gold Coast-Sydney and had no complaints (20minute delay on the taxiway as we were 7th to takeoff and RFDS coming into land at Sydney). Crew was funny on the way back.Its a shame, just means less competition = higher prices. Brings it back to Qantas vs. Virgin Blue really.

Thats is worrying, especially because a cycle only costs 20 credits and you can use them for every plane :(

Thats is worrying, especially because a cycle only costs 20 credits and you can use them for every plane :(

The aircraft was an A320, and the data came from jeppesen, a boeing subsidiary. I smell a rat. :wink:I wonder if the navigraph data contains the same error??Seriously, though, they'd only been cleared down to 2500, so descending to 2000 is...ahem...sub-optimal.Jeff Hunter

Apparently the offending aircraft was landing downwind and had to do a go around he than proceeded to land the other way in to the wind where he was too low. atc ask him why he was too low on approach and didnt reply and landed without atc permission. This probabl broke the camels back on why they are grounded till the 1st of aug. I doubt they will gwt there license back now since their ceo has resigned after they were grounded. Dont think they will be able to recover from this since this is not the only time they been in strife here. I pity the people who had booked flight and waiting for their refund, the funny part is they were still taking bookings online lol till late today where they were told stop taking bookings.. funny part also people were still turning up at the airport expecting to get a flight, now jetstar is trying to help with the back log of passengers the downside of all this is the airfares are going to rise now in aust

Apparently the offending aircraft was landing downwind and had to do a go around he than proceeded to land the other way in to the wind where he was too low. atc ask him why he was too low on approach and didnt reply and landed without atc permission. This probabl broke the camels back on why they are grounded till the 1st of aug. I doubt they will gwt there license back now since their ceo has resigned after they were grounded. Dont think they will be able to recover from this since this is not the only time they been in strife here. I pity the people who had booked flight and waiting for their refund, the funny part is they were still taking bookings online lol till late today where they were told stop taking bookings.. funny part also people were still turning up at the airport expecting to get a flight, now jetstar is trying to help with the back log of passengers the downside of all this is the airfares are going to rise now in aust

Avalon tower was closed at the time... which means it was class G airspace. You dont need a clearance to land.

Avalon tower was closed at the time... which means it was class G airspace. You dont need a clearance to land.

No it wasn,t. The A320 was asked by the tower why he was flying at 1600 feet and his reply was that he was visual and then landed with no clearance.

Avalon tower was closed at the time... which means it was class G airspace. You dont need a clearance to land.

Huh? This happened at tullamarine, not avalon. There's no ARBEY ONE arrival into avalon, nor any RWY 27. Melbourne tower is 24/7. Avalon Tower does not manage any airspace apart from the circuit. This incident happened at about 11 nm from ML, between PAULA and ARBEY, which is Melbourne CTR SFC to 1500 and then C LL1500.jeff hunter

Guy’s, some of you may be getting a little confused. There has been more then one incident, one was in class G airspace, the latest one was in controlled airspace.Regards

This was not an isolated incident - there have been several incidents this year.

Guy’s, some of you may be getting a little confused. There has been more then one incident, one was in class G airspace, the latest one was in controlled airspace.Regards

I'll put my hand up as confused. Sorry, Dicko.:blush:I was aware of a number of incidents, but had not heard of them busting minimums at Avalon, although now that I re-read the article, it did get a brief mention in the last par.jeff

Yes, I would add myself to the "confused" list. Many of these sound like poor piloting and decision making. Isn't the remedy to ban the pilots, and assuming they'll get canned? I guess I'm not clear on why the airline is banned for these errors. Head scratcher

It comes down to how the airline trained the pilots and how the pilots followed airline SOP's. If the SOP's aren't suitable and safe, then it's not so much the fault of the pilots as it is the airline. I think, however, it's the fault of both the pilots and the airline in the case of Tiger.

I'll put my hand up as confused. Sorry, Dicko.:blush:I was aware of a number of incidents, but had not heard of them busting minimums at Avalon, although now that I re-read the article, it did get a brief mention in the last par.jeff

Yep, happened at Avalon as well as Melbourne. pilot came in with a tailwind, executed a missed approach and you know the rest from my previous post.