My guess is, however, that this discussion won't affect your sim experience in the slightest.

But reading it affects my mood. Ron said it all:

Sorry, but the last thing I want too see/read on this forum is Politics, Unions etc etc, please please stop,, go to CNN or Fox or something.

Im employed with at -600 operator, and not once have I ever heard of it being unstable. Ive heard terms like sports car, ferrari, the rocket ship, but not once in 7 years have I heard it being unstable. Ive flown jumpseat on one and asked the crew about how it compares to the others, and when I mentioned stablity I just got blank stares by the crew. The 600 is a perfect aircraft for airlines such as mine that prefer to keep a single fleet type, but still want to operate within smaller niche markets. As for landing weights, we have a flex weight program where we restrict the -600s payloads to fit under a specific weight category and we end up paying for lower landing fees that are similer to a CRJ or a Dash 8. The 600 is more then capible as a aircraft that even with this reduced takeoff weight, we often go full (im talking 99% of the time) in to those markets and no have to worry about bumping payload. Its more of a behind the scenes number shuffle then a actual payload restriction. At the end of the day if we cant meet the specified take off weight required, to meet a certain landing weight at the destination, we just pay the heavier landing fee and everyones happy. The 600 is quite versitile, we can make it small when we want, or use it like a 737 when needed. And we do so daily. So I pose this question to you... Why send a CRJ to do a 737s job?

I don't think that it makes him nervous, but many people like simming, because they can forget all the troubles of real life. The developer forum of an add-on aircraft isn't the place for the depressing topic "economy" and all those things that ruin the romance of flying more and more, nor is a preview thread about an upcoming add-on expansion.

This, exactly.

ok, all of you think you are so smart and you are all trying to be macho and show that you know very little about nothing. ENOUGH!!! Now, onto what this forum is about, the 736, which, really, is what the 737 is all about, very short, stubby, small field hoping airplane to ferry passengers to remote airports in short distances. And i hope PMDG have factored in older performances habits because i would really like more of a challenge in terms of physics when flying the plane manually. I know a few people on here have commented about its old design and "restless nature" of the flight controls. it would be great to get that in the sim. anyway, im awaiting patiently, but i sure do hope it comes out tonight

So I pose this question to you... Why send a CRJ to do a 737s job?

If you really want your question answered, look here. http://dspace.mit.ed....pdf?sequence=1 The real answer: the CRJ-900 is sexy. The 737-600 looks like a suppository.

ok, all of you think you are so smart and you are all trying to be macho and show that you know very little about nothing. ENOUGH!!!

Calm down, calm down. No reason to stomp off the playground. It's called a DISCUSSION. Believe it or not, people don't agree on everything. Shocking, I know. But, disagreement is nothing to be afraid of, unless one has grown too fond of the idea that everyone in this world shares his or her opinions. Then, I suppose, this can be somewhat threatening.

Calm down, calm down. No reason to stomp off the playground. It's called a DISCUSSION. Believe it or not, people don't agree on everything. Shocking, I know. But, disagreement is nothing to be afraid of, unless one has grown too fond of the idea that everyone in this world shares his or her opinions. Then, I suppose, this can be somewhat threatening.

I dont care about your disagreement, and im not stompping anywhere, this playground is for the 736, just saying that if you want to discuss this stuff, find another sandbox - you think you are so smart mr lawyer, grow up

I dont care about your disagreement, and im not stompping anywhere, this playground is for the 736, just saying that if you want to discuss this stuff, find another sandbox - you think you are so smart mr lawyer, grow up

Now, where have I heard that before?

Now, where have I heard that before?

um.....did you really just go and search for that? You are pathetically hilarious

If you really want your question answered, look here. http://dspace.mit.ed....pdf?sequence=1 The real answer: the CRJ-900 is sexy. The 737-600 looks like a suppository.

Umm no, I'll never agree to that statement, even as a Canadian, I dont enjoy the look of the CRJ at all, and will never compare to the classic look of the american 737. From a passenger standpoint, the 737 is more confortable to fly in. When i used to work the ramp I used to laugh at the other companies when i would watch them try to overstuff the CRJs baggage holds as they are not quite suited for the job in most cases. We would load the 600 going to the exact same destination and have plenty of room to spare down below. While im watching the other guys throw hissy fits about the fact the RJs are buiked out once again.

Umm no, I'll never agree to that statement, even as a Canadian, I dont enjoy the look of the CRJ at all, and will never compare to the classic look of the american 737. From a passenger standpoint, the 737 is more confortable to fly in. When i used to work the ramp I used to laugh at the other companies when i would watch them try to overstuff the CRJs baggage holds as they are not quite suited for the job in most cases. We would load the 600 going to the exact same destination and have plenty of room to spare down below. While im watching the other guys throw hissy fits about the fact the RJs are buiked out once again.

The 73NG is definitely more fun to fly than the CRJ.

Except that it isn't, the engines are derated to 18,500lbs on the 600

If its engines are darated to 18,500 lbs, does its climb rate really get to 2000 fpm at 31000 feet?

If you really want your question answered, look here. http://dspace.mit.ed....pdf?sequence=1 The real answer: the CRJ-900 is sexy. The 737-600 looks like a suppository.

Actually, I find the CRJ-900 a moderatley attractive aircraft...as it is sleek, but I find them horridly uncomfortable to fly in, and I cringe any time I have to get on any CRJ, or the small ERJ (130-140). I'd rather be on an Airbus then a CRJ.

Whats wrong with protecting Major airlines' flying? Are you saying you have no problem losing your seat to another pilot who gets paid a third of what you do and has a an eight of he experience just so your company can save a buck? Mainline pilots have been furloughed because airlines are trying to cut costs by outsourcing flying to the regionals. With that, the regionals bid against eachother and the lowest bid wins.......how is that good for the mainline guys. The more regional flying and less mainline flying means that a regional is where most pilots will start and end their careers because there isn't enough mainline flying anymore to give everyone a chance at flying for higher wages and a better QOL. The pay at the regional level is not pay that one can live off of as an FO or can support a family as a CA. I realize mainline needs to cut costs and regionals need to be around to support that cause. However, too much outsourcing is a bad thing. Too the fellow who said that "without regionals there wouldn't be as many pax for mainline carriers...". How is that possible. With less outsourcing means more mainline flying. That means that those pax who would normally be a on route that a CRJ was outsourced to fly would now be on the mainline carrier instead. Regionals don't do anything to attract more pax to mainline. It never has and it never will. as I said before, since most markets that used to be traditionally only mainline now have been outsourced to regionals, putting mainline back in those cities would jsut mean more pax on mainline flights.

Ok... I'd love to see you really get any jet larger than a CRJ-700 into Aspen... have fun with that one! Oh and for all those other airports that only regionals can fly into... I guess all those people that have to drive 10 hours to the nearest major airport will just have to deal with it then... yes, we'll close up every single airport that can't fit anything larger than a 737 just so the mainline carriers can haul less people for more money. With out the Regionals, the ones that FEED the mainline, the mainline may as well just fold up. No one would want to fly them. So, so much for your pilot job. My guess is that you can't/wont see the big picture. What ever the case may be, the regionals will always be where mainline pilots, a good chunk of them, come from. You have to get some experience from somewhere and a mainline will not hire you if you just have 50 hours. Some regionals will hire you with 800 hours but to be competitive you need 1300 hours. Oh, and those pilots that were furloughed from the mainline... OMG... a lot of them were hired by the regionals. Hummmm seems to me someone has to do some more homework on what they talk about before opening their mouth and bad mouth the regional airline industry. But then, this really isn't the right forum to be debating this. So let's get back onto topic here.

Ok... I'd love to see you really get any jet larger than a CRJ-700 into Aspen... have fun with that one! Oh and for all those other airports that only regionals can fly into... I guess all those people that have to drive 10 hours to the nearest major airport will just have to deal with it then... yes, we'll close up every single airport that can't fit anything larger than a 737 just so the mainline carriers can haul less people for more money. With out the Regionals, the ones that FEED the mainline, the mainline may as well just fold up. No one would want to fly them. So, so much for your pilot job. My guess is that you can't/wont see the big picture. What ever the case may be, the regionals will always be where mainline pilots, a good chunk of them, come from. You have to get some experience from somewhere and a mainline will not hire you if you just have 50 hours. Some regionals will hire you with 800 hours but to be competitive you need 1300 hours. Oh, and those pilots that were furloughed from the mainline... OMG... a lot of them were hired by the regionals. Hummmm seems to me someone has to do some more homework on what they talk about before opening their mouth and bad mouth the regional airline industry. But then, this really isn't the right forum to be debating this. So let's get back onto topic here.

My main point is that major carriers don't need to outsource flying. The major airlines shouldn't be putting RJs on routes that were once flown by mainline. Mainline should use the regionals as a way to reach the markets that wouldn't even fill up a mainline aircraft or just wouldn't be able to get into the smaller airports. Regionals should be used as regionals....not a cost cutting method for major airlines.

That was in a post on top of this page......you obviously didn't read it. Of course you wont be able to get anything larger than an RJ into an airport such as aspen.......hence my quoted statement. Its the way that the regionals grew that is the main problem. Regionals used to be operated in the same fashion you and I quoted. They where to bring pax to the mainline hubs because bigger mainline aircraft could not do it. Now, regionals are flying routes that have always been flown by mainline jets. That's the problem. Secondly, I never mentioned anything about a flow of pilots coming from regionals and going to mainline. I am VERY aware of what it takes to get to the major side of the industry. But since you are being a smart guy, the amount of pilots the regionals are hiring is great for a young guy like myself. However, what happens when its time for me to move on a ship out? NOT ENOUGH MAINLINE JOBS........there all at the regional level. Im sure you have heard of the term "lifers." A good chunk of CAs you talk too haven't made the conscience choice of staying at the regional level. Besides, that argument about regionals being for experience isn't really a good one. Regionals have always been a stepping stone. Once again.....that's great for young guys like myself looking to get into the industry......not guys looking to move up. Its so much more easier to get hired by a regional that a major that it dilutes the experience people have when applying to the majors because there are now a lot more people applying. Fore years and years, a lot of the talent pool came from the military. With the bigger regionals these days, it makes it easier for one to get that TPIC time. Once again.......great for guys like me. With the above statement....here it is summarized. Regionals offer great short-term returns but fall very short of offering any long-term benefit to the pilot. About those mainline guys who were furloughed........a lot of them did go to the regionals.....however, why where they being furloughed and how did a seat open up for them at the regionals? Out sourcing! Check your numbers on the hiring mins for the regionals. 500/50 for american eagle and a couple other airlines while skywest is 1000/100/100IFR. Just a couple metrics for ya. While 1300 will get an interview, some are being passed over with that kind of time because recruiters know they wont last long with the crappy pay and that they would normally demand a bigger salary. Oh and I have done my homework...... I am not bad mouthing the regional airline sector........it may come off like that but that's not what I am doing. I am trying to raise awareness so more people can see whats going on and hopefully, just hopefully this industry can get a little more mainline jobs going again so I don't have to retire at a regional.