In the UK it is a criminal offence to not fly with a paper chart! ...vololiberista

Can you provide a citation for that? I

Count me in as one of those hard core safety guys. Every preflight I have ever done has ALWAYS been a complete preflight. It doesn't matter how long it had been since I had flown it. You never know when some ramp guy could accidentally fuel up the wrong plane and that fuel may have some water in it or whatever the case may be. Call it paranoid, but if I'm responsible for that flight I'm going to make damn sure I know everything about that aircraft I possibly can.Besides, I'm only paying for it when the prop is turning so who cares how long it takes me to walk around it. I even once had a CFI make fun of me for it. I've always hoped he was just trying see if I would, "cave," and not do the whole preflight if he goaded me a bit but I'm not entirely sure he was.

If successful/safe flight is to be achieved then the PIC must do all possible to prepare, plan, and execute the flight to the highest standard.I once rode with a guy (before I knew better) who obviously did not know or care about what is involved. It was a short flight and my impression was like the thread title at AOPA Forums...."Never Again"

Just put me down as a 60 year old adult, who has seen far too many aircraft plastered on rising terrain. Since the 1930's, they have left their mark, all over my mountainous flying area...............not to mention the rest of the world. It's that magenta line, that could have been the saving grace..............had it been available.

Funny thing is we lost a few people here a couple years ago when they hit direct to and ran into a mountain top. Common sense and situational awareness saves lives, not technology.

For the US and Canadian pilot, have you guys used fltplan.com? It has been a great help to flight planning. It has ALL the information and is even QICP certified so you can CYOA. The fuel load outs have been amazingly accurate and ATC has never missed a flight plan we have filled from it. Can't say that for FSS stations.

I agree-I am still not sure I am comfortable with a g1000 vs. steam gauges-I understand the logic but at this point (old timer since 1989) would consider myself a safer pilot on steam than the trend...

For the US and Canadian pilot, have you guys used fltplan.com? It has been a great help to flight planning. It has ALL the information and is even QICP certified so you can CYOA. The fuel load outs have been amazingly accurate and ATC has never missed a flight plan we have filled from it. Can't say that for FSS stations.

Yes fss is a bionic reader of duats now-really sad...

For the US and Canadian pilot, have you guys used fltplan.com? It has been a great help to flight planning. It has ALL the information and is even QICP certified so you can CYOA. The fuel load outs have been amazingly accurate and ATC has never missed a flight plan we have filled from it. Can't say that for FSS stations.

The only way I file, actually. Spot on ETEs and fuel consumptions. The tool for any serious IFR pilot.

Can you provide a citation for that? I

Yes, it's the law!! Search for Air Navigation Order CAP393vololiberista

Yes, it's the law!! Search for Air Navigation Order CAP393vololiberista

Why don't you post the regulation not the whole book. Doesn't help your point when you can't show the proof.

Part 4 of Section 5(2) of of the Air Navigation Order reads:

(2) Maps, charts, codes and other documents and navigational equipment necessary, in addition to any other equipment required under this Order, for the intended flight of the aircraft including any diversion which may reasonably be expected.

If they are not necessary for the intended flight of the aircraft they don't have to be carried. Similarly it doesn't require every aircraft aircraft to be fitted with full IFR equipment if its not necessary.

Why don't you post the regulation not the whole book. Doesn't help your point when you can't show the proof.

I don't need too!!! It's the law in the UK. And, you're quite welcome to download it yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=226to help you on your way!!vololiberista

TYhe only reference I can find is the one I quoted.If there is another cite it.

Part 4 of Section 5(2) of of the Air Navigation Order reads:If they are not necessary for the intended flight of the aircraft they don't have to be carried. Similarly it doesn't require every aircraft aircraft to be fitted with full IFR equipment if its not necessary.

That's not quite correct. If you read the ANO more carefully you will see the individual categories to which this statement applies. It applies to "all" aircraft be it bees, flies, paragliders or jets etc.In the case of paragliders if one intentionally or even unintentionally lands off site and thereafter follows some sort of enquiry due to an accident or landing on private land (for example). If it were found that you did not a. carry a chart b. and a fully up to date one! then you will be criminally charged!!Not only does the CAA have a much tighter control on UK aviation than does the FAA in the USA, it is also prepared to enforce it.Case example: A young trainee pilot in the 80's was seen on radar to be flying parallel to the southern border of the Heathrow TMA. He was judged to be flying a quarter of a mile inside the boundary. His actual intention was to land at Redhill. Enquiries were made and he was traced, taken to court and fined £10,000, his licence was revoked and he never flew again!vololiberista

Replying to the OP. I can say that I have done that once or twice after purchasing my own plane and a garmin 696. But after every flight I do a little self-flight review and look back on what I did wrong/right and I have regretted it every time. Also since my plane is a good 35 minutes driving distance from my house there's no reason not to call the fss and download chart updates.

That's not quite correct. If you read the ANO more carefully you will see the individual categories to which this statement applies. It applies to "all" aircraft be it bees, flies, paragliders or jets etc.In the case of paragliders if one intentionally or even unintentionally lands off site and thereafter follows some sort of enquiry due to an accident or landing on private land (for example). If it were found that you did not a. carry a chart b. and a fully up to date one! then you will be criminally charged!!Not only does the CAA have a much tighter control on UK aviation than does the FAA in the USA, it is also prepared to enforce it.Case example: A young trainee pilot in the 80's was seen on radar to be flying parallel to the southern border of the Heathrow TMA. He was judged to be flying a quarter of a mile inside the boundary. His actual intention was to land at Redhill. Enquiries were made and he was traced, taken to court and fined £10,000, his licence was revoked and he never flew again!vololiberista

The extract I quoted is absolutely correct and does apply to all aircraft which include: Free Balloon, Captive Balloon, Airship, Glider, Kite, Aeroplane (Landplane), Aeroplane (Seaplane), Aeroplane (Amphibian), Aeroplane (Self-launching Motor Glider), Powered Lift (Tilt Rotor), Rotorcraft, Helicopter, Gyroplane (Schedule 3 of Air Navigation Order). So, what's your point?You are still haven't provided a citation to show that it's a criminal offence to fly in the UK without a paper chart.

The extract I quoted is absolutely correct and does apply to all aircraft which include: Free Balloon, Captive Balloon, Airship, Glider, Kite, Aeroplane (Landplane), Aeroplane (Seaplane), Aeroplane (Amphibian), Aeroplane (Self-launching Motor Glider), Powered Lift (Tilt Rotor), Rotorcraft, Helicopter, Gyroplane (Schedule 3 of Air Navigation Order). So, what's your point?You are still haven't provided a citation to show that it's a criminal offence to fly in the UK without a paper chart.

The Air Navigation Order and CAP 393 is the law. Look up part 31 sub-sections 228-246vololiberista