December 19, 201114 yr Good news if it's true!3770K - $332 vs 2700K at $3323570K - $225 vs 2500K at $216SOURCE Corey Meeks FS2020 | AMD 7800X3D | ASUS ProArt 4080 Super | ASUS B650E-I Mini ITX | 2x32Gb DDR5-6000 CL32 | DELL 38" U3818DW (3840x1600) | FormD T1 | Thermalright AXP90-47 | Thermaltake Toughpower SFX 1000W
December 19, 201114 yr second quarter 2012Damn I just ordered my i5 2500KAt least I dont have to wait until July
December 20, 201114 yr I've heard mention that these new Ivy's, less powerful than the recent 6 core Ivy's, and being 4 cores, are thus compatible with the 1155 boards?If so, we could make do with recent purchases ofi5/i7's whatnot, upgrade only our CPUs later and sell the old ones at a margenal loss be it not a lot.
December 20, 201114 yr Author That's correct. And they also enable PCI-E 3.0 on current PCI-E 3.0 compatible 1155 boards. Corey Meeks FS2020 | AMD 7800X3D | ASUS ProArt 4080 Super | ASUS B650E-I Mini ITX | 2x32Gb DDR5-6000 CL32 | DELL 38" U3818DW (3840x1600) | FormD T1 | Thermalright AXP90-47 | Thermaltake Toughpower SFX 1000W
December 20, 201114 yr Is Asus Maximus extreme B3 version PCIE3 compatible ? Cheers http://fs2crew.com/banners/Banner_FS2Crew_MJC_Supporter.png Wayne HART
December 20, 201114 yr That's correct. And they also enable PCI-E 3.0 on current PCI-E 3.0 compatible 1155 boards.Corey, every time we mention IB, I see PCIe Gen 3 come up from you. Could I make the assumption your excited? Even though gen 3 will be coming on the boards, I think the 6xx and 7xxx series are sticking to Gen 2, correct me if I am wrong. Anyway, keep up the enthusiasm, we all have something we are looking forward to. Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
December 20, 201114 yr Author That's because it's the only major change we have to look forward to. Sure, IB will probably clock a little better than SB and some people are saying that there are actually some minor IPC improvements, but none of that is going to provide any major improvements in FSX. We all know FSX performance is the result of the weakest link in the system. PCI-E bandwidth is the only thing that hasn't improved in recent years.Think about it...- Bumping CPU frequency by 300MHz yields 1 FPS (let's say from 4.8 to 5.1 GHz on a SB system (this figure is quoted from some of the guys here on the forum))- 2133 CL9 vs 1600 CL9 yields maybe 2 or 3 FPS- SSDs seem to have no effect on FSX performance- Beyond the GTX560, FSX sees very little gain (at single monitor resolutions)In other words, upgrading the CPU, RAM, storage, and the GPU all have very little effect on FSX. That seems to indicate that the bottleneck is somewhere else.I imagine the nVidia 7xx series cards will be PCI-E 3.0. If I'm not mistaken, the 6xx series will just be die shrinks of current 5xx cards. Wait for 7xx. Corey Meeks FS2020 | AMD 7800X3D | ASUS ProArt 4080 Super | ASUS B650E-I Mini ITX | 2x32Gb DDR5-6000 CL32 | DELL 38" U3818DW (3840x1600) | FormD T1 | Thermalright AXP90-47 | Thermaltake Toughpower SFX 1000W
December 20, 201114 yr I've heard rumors about PCIe3 being some huge improvement for FSX... is that actually true?
December 20, 201114 yr I've heard rumors about PCIe3 being some huge improvement for FSX... is that actually true?See here.Cheers,- jahman.
December 20, 201114 yr I imagine the nVidia 7xx series cards will be PCI-E 3.0. If I'm not mistaken, the 6xx series will just be die shrinks of current 5xx cards. Wait for 7xx.I was going by the laptop cards which are out now, but I guess thats a whole different kettle of fish. Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
December 20, 201114 yr Corey is excited because he has been waiting to replace his GPU for it seems like ages.That 300Mhz/frame was just a very rough figure on Sandy Bridge that I observed while tweaking. Needs more thorough testing to confirm.Ivy will work on Asus P67deluxe (I hope). The latest bios certainly covers it.I'm not totally convinced about the pcie2 bottleneck. At 3880x1920 I still get respectable fps (in the 20-30 range dropping to 15 at uk2000 Gatwick extreme) with the PMDG737, AS2012 and umpteen add ons although I do have to compromise with th grapghics settings a bit.Happy Xmas. Regards Howard H D Isaacs
December 20, 201114 yr Think about it...- Bumping CPU frequency by 300MHz yields 1 FPS (let's say from 4.8 to 5.1 GHz on a SB system (this figure is quoted from some of the guys here on the forum))- 2133 CL9 vs 1600 CL9 yields maybe 2 or 3 FPS- SSDs seem to have no effect on FSX performanceNot been my experience w/ regard to CPU. Historically I have seen a somewhat linear relationship between CPU frequency and frame rate, not 1:1, but say for every 10% increase in CPU freq I have seen maybe 6% increase in frame rate. My sense clearly is that low latency memory subsystem does contribute to some aspect of performance, not really increase in frame rate. I am defining performance as frame rate, texture loading rate & overall image quality, and freedom from stuttering. From what I hear, SSDs might well improve some aspect of performance, for example texture loading rate. With lower access times (I assume so w/ SSDs over HDDs) one would hope there might be also some improvement in the stuttering department. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
December 20, 201114 yr OK, so do the math: 4.8 to 5.1 GHz is a 6.3 % increase. Applying your "for every 10% increase in CPU freq I have seen maybe 7% increase in frame rate" (i.e.. 70%), the 6.3% increase in clock is reduced to 4.4%. And a 4.4% increase on a base 30 FPS is a measly 1.3 FPS! And at difficult spots like KLAX with 15 FPS base, the increase is reduced to only 0.7 FPS.Cheers,- jahman.
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