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Worth upgrading from maxed out FSX?

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The vids I've seen of XPX so far: The urban areas look disappointing - the residential areas are laid out in an unrealistic manner and go right to the downtown buildings with no row houses, parks, etc. However the sky and water look fantastic. I was just flying in FSX with my fave aircraft the Constellation and thinking the urban areas looked nicer than the vids I've seen of XPX. Of course my FSX is maxed out. I'm wondering is it worth the purchase. I'd like the opinion of FSX fans that have tried XPX, I am downloading the demo right now. Also, do you think developers will jump on the XPX bandwagon since MS Flight is a just a game? This is what I'm thinking and this is why I'm considering purchasing the new X plane.Edit: Ok I just saw the downtown Seattle vid (XP10) on youtube and it looks pretty good with decent FPS. Now if only California Classics Connie can be used in XP10.

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If I hadn't already purchased it, from what I see and have right now, I wouldn't have bought it. Your doing the right thing, download the demo and try it. Will it get better, I sure hope so. It has some nice aspects to it, put was far from being a viable retail option. Meaning, it should never have been offered for sale, in it's current state.Glen

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If I hadn't already purchased it, from what I see and have right now, I wouldn't have bought it. Your doing the right thing, download the demo and try it. Will it get better, I sure hope so. It has some nice aspects to it, put was far from being a viable retail option. Meaning, it should never have been offered for sale, in it's current state.Glen
Thanks Glen this is the kind of response I was looking for! Hopefully 3rd party addons will make it much more viable and even the best at some point since MS has taken their current course and FSers are looking for better framerates, scenery etc. I'm conserned about what I've read about having to turn off AI and ATC in XPX also!

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See what I mean, here's FSX maxed out I just took this. I would like improvements over this and XPX seems to be the only possible solution in the future so I've got my hopes in it.

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For the time being, I have gone back to XP ver 9.7, as XPX is in need of some improvements (just stating the obvious). Like I said, it has the potential to be fantastic, it's just got a ways to go. As far as AI and ATC, it's all still really kind of buggy, hence my comment about not really being a viable retail option.I have to laugh a bit, I just responded to a post over at the Org, in a very similar manner, and my post was deleted. I guess they feel the need to hide the truth behind censorship, oh well, they can do whatever they like.Give the demo a good run, stay low, and don't set your settings too high. It really looks nice from a few thousand feet, with a bit of cloud, and maybe a setting sun.Glen

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I can confirm your impressions (XP10, 30-40 flying hours, switched from FSX+UTX+REX+GEX+TrafficX). Some nice things in XP10 and a lot of potential - but still a lot of problems and shortcomings too. In direct comparision between a good FSX-setup with some scenery and aircraft addons XP10 is still missing a lot. A "tuned" FSX today is the result of 6 years of developement AFTER initial release (and spending a lot of money and work) XP10 as it is now (and will be in the near future) simply can´t compete with that. But it probably will in 2 or 3 years as addons and bugfixes flow in...

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I was in the same boat. Being a simmer for over 20 years, and having my FSX maxed out as well, I was intrigued by X10. I'd say the first thing you have to go into this with is, that it's a work in progress with great potential. My first encounter with the demo, and then my purchase of X10 was less than spectacular...but I wanted to give it due time until I made firm comments (I've now been flying X10 for a month or more.)I first was somewhat put back by the AI 747's taxiing around tiny airports, the tweaking of my Saitek X45 to get panning working, cities bare of tall buildings, mega airports void of any terminals/buildings, ATC challenges, the UI, etc. but have slowly been VERY happy (with WOW moments!) flying at night, and day as well. Once I became comfortable with autopilot and GPS, I've been tooling around urban and rural areas with much excitement. Night flying is amazing...a real treat and a challenge as the sky at night is much darker than FSX...with no seeing the horizon in most areas. Flying in mountainous areas is amazing as well. I'm not a real world pilot so I can't comment on flight dynamics, but many of the included aircraft seem jumpy perhaps.FSX is a comfort blanket for me...looks good, easy to navigate, airports have life, etc. But give X10 a chance...I assure you you'll find delight in some areas, as long as you take the time to play with it. Is it worth the $? That's up to you. For me though, it's fun to try something new with thoughts (and hopes) that growth will happen. You just have to give it time. I'll continue to fly both sims...for long haul commercial flights right now I still feel more comfortable with FSX (and for eye candy), but for GA flights I'm really liking X10. Good luck.Bob

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The more one delays the purchase of a buggy and incomplete product, the more incentive Laminar has to produce an update that is worthy of being called a complete, finished, relatively bug-free product that Laminar IMPLIES.Laminar should deliver more than it promises and promise less than what it can deliver - TODAY - not a month, two months or six months from now !TODAY.WHAT IS LAMINAR'S ROADMAP AND TIMELINE FOR FIXING AND DELIVERING THE PRODUCT IT HYPED AND PROMISED ?

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you guy's negativity has brought out our resident troll again
I didn't want this question to turn negative. I think I will try XPX. I'm pretty happy with FSX with all the addons (maxed out) but it does have issues with FPS, but these disappeare when you gain altitude. I want to see a new flightsim succeed. MS obviously isn't going that direction with flight. I would like something like FSX but new that will take us all to the next level in realism. I just want to hear peoples opinions of course their are going to be some negative ones some will be let down. Just read the MS Flight forum plenty of negatives! Flight Sims should be supported or they will go away!

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One more thing on a positive note, since MS is making a 'game' maybe all those addon's everyone loves for FSX, UTX, ORBX and the like will be made for X-plane. Wouldn't that be nice?

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I have to ask....you wouldn't happen to still be writing to Sony regarding your Betamax?Big%20Grin.gifp.s. It occurs to me that I never "flew" after buying Air Jordan's either. Would you mind nagging Nike over that one on my behalf? Cheers!

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I am no FSX person, but maybe you take my advice, too: Wait for at least version 10.2.
So what is it about 10.2 that rings your bell? If you are a developer I would understand your statement.RegardsBob

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So what is it about 10.2 that rings your bell? If you are a developer I would understand your statement.RegardsBob
That's just a basic tip for newcomers to X-Plane or people hesitant to experience the issues with early versions in general. That tip is based on what X-Plane oldtimers know from experience. Also we can expect to have some more serious performance tuning, less crashs and possibly some new features when .2 arrives.Especially the beta and RC-cycle can be very frustrating for people. If you know X-Plane, like me, that might not be such a big issue for you - like it isn't for me. That's fine. But anyone switching from a perfectly running FSX with tons of add-ons is good adviced to have a look at X-Plane 10 as soon as it is a more stable platform and some of the anticipated improvements are implemented.As far as "what developers think":
On the whole the IXEG team is underwhelmed with the state of XP10 so far
http://forums.x-pilo...dpost__p__31749It's just what hardcore users think, too: Too many issues now.Patience is the key. 10.2 sounds reasonable as an advice to newcomers.
you guy's negativity has brought out our resident troll again
don't confuse rationality with negativity.

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My opinion is that no matter how you dress up FSX, it's still fairly flawed at the core, which is the part that really matters as far as I'm concerned. XP10, I feel, has a much better core, and the pretty bits will come eventually.

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I don't think anybody "in the know" doubts the improvements to the core… most people talk specific issues about the current state of affairs.

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That's just a basic tip for newcomers to X-Plane or people hesitant to experience the issues with early versions in general. That tip is based on what X-Plane oldtimers know from experience. Also we can expect to have some more serious performance tuning, less crashs and possibly some new features when .2 arrives.Especially the beta and RC-cycle can be very frustrating for people. If you know X-Plane, like me, that might not be such a big issue for you - like it isn't for me. That's fine. But anyone switching from a perfectly running FSX with tons of add-ons is good adviced to have a look at X-Plane 10 as soon as it is a more stable platform and some of the anticipated improvements are implemented.As far as "what developers think":http://forums.x-pilo...dpost__p__31749It's just what hardcore users think, too: Too many issues now.Patience is the key. 10.2 sounds reasonable as an advice to newcomers.don't confuse rationality with negativity.
woweezowee,Thanks for explanation. I had no idea that the .2 release was something which had a defined history.ThanksBob

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My opinion is that no matter how you dress up FSX, it's still fairly flawed at the core, which is the part that really matters as far as I'm concerned. XP10, I feel, has a much better core, and the pretty bits will come eventually.
FSX is very adaptable, flight model wise, so what core do you speak of.

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I have to ask....you wouldn't happen to still be writing to Sony regarding your Betamax?
Sony Betamax was a COMPLETE, BUGFREE PRODUCT THAT JUST WORKED, AS INTENDED, OUT OF THE BOX. No if's, and's or but's. It worked the day you plugged it in. Not a month, two months or six months from now ! It came with a warranty, too ! Also, are you suggesting that Laminar is anywhere close to Sony. ARE YOU SERIOUS ?I write about Laminar, Austin and X-plane, the product because I know A BIT about all of them thru personal experience and after a decade of the attitude, behaviour and actions of Laminar and it's head, I have a right to have the opinion I have. I share that opinion, FWIW. You don't have to read it, agree with it, pay attention to it or respond to it. NO CHARGE !The problem with X-plane v10 IS NOT CAUSED BY ME, YOU OR THE CUSTOMERS WHO BOUGHT IT.It is very clearly Laminar's creation ( and it is a pattern that repeats with EVERY VERSION ) and the least Laminar and Austin could do is to own up to the problem, inadequacy, etc. and address the problems and issues at hand.WHEN WILL LAMINAR DO THAT ?

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Night flying is amazing...a real treat and a challenge as the sky at night is much darker than FSX...with no seeing the horizon in most areas.
With my heavy and bulky CRT monitor, the FSX sky is very dark. No horizon on moonless nights, can be seen. Using FSX on a LCD flat screen, which I just tried, I can see the terrain.As for challenges, flying in pitch black, certainly isn't a neccesesity anymore. With terrain data bases, GPS, and synthetic vision..........planes don't need to be running into mountains, just because the pilot can't see what's ahead. I tend to keep track of the whys and the wherefores of real life flight into terrain accidents. Over the years, there has been plenty.....................even when the plan was to fly IFR.

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Ok, I'll chime in.....m_av's post has some valid points....You can't ignore the fact there's a lot of frustrated users out there.GlenEdit: I guess the question that begs to be asked is:"Why doesn't Austin wait and get it right, before putting it on the market for purchase".As far as I'm concerned, if your just running the demo, you have no business complaining about anything, what have you lost. For those of us that have purchased it, I we were expecting a little more at this point?

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Sony Betamax was a COMPLETE, BUGFREE PRODUCT THAT JUST WORKED, AS INTENDED, OUT OF THE BOX. No if's, and's or but's. It worked the day you plugged it in. Not a month, two months or six months from now ! It came with a warranty, too ! Also, are you suggesting that Laminar is anywhere close to Sony. ARE YOU SERIOUS ?I write about Laminar, Austin and X-plane, the product because I know A BIT about all of them thru personal experience and after a decade of the attitude, behaviour and actions of Laminar and it's head, I have a right to have the opinion I have. I share that opinion, FWIW. You don't have to read it, agree with it, pay attention to it or respond to it. NO CHARGE !The problem with X-plane v10 IS NOT CAUSED BY ME, YOU OR THE CUSTOMERS WHO BOUGHT IT.It is very clearly Laminar's creation ( and it is a pattern that repeats with EVERY VERSION ) and the least Laminar and Austin could do is to own up to the problem, inadequacy, etc. and address the problems and issues at hand.WHEN WILL LAMINAR DO THAT ?
Says the guy who won't even disclose who he is, what his connections are to Laminar or what he has made for x plane.

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The vids I've seen of XPX so far: The urban areas look disappointing - the residential areas are laid out in an unrealistic manner and go right to the downtown buildings with no row houses, parks, etc. However the sky and water look fantastic. I was just flying in FSX with my fave aircraft the Constellation and thinking the urban areas looked nicer than the vids I've seen of XPX. Of course my FSX is maxed out. I'm wondering is it worth the purchase. I'd like the opinion of FSX fans that have tried XPX, I am downloading the demo right now. Also, do you think developers will jump on the XPX bandwagon since MS Flight is a just a game? This is what I'm thinking and this is why I'm considering purchasing the new X plane.Edit: Ok I just saw the downtown Seattle vid (XP10) on youtube and it looks pretty good with decent FPS. Now if only California Classics Connie can be used in XP10.
Yes I think it is worth the purchase-if you are a flight sim nut why not?However, a lot depends on what you want to simulate and what you expect at this minute, and whether you are patient for the future, which may or may not happen.I have to confess-I love the sim, have been using it since it came out, and don't feel a great urge to go back to fsx. On the other hand I am getting itchy about the scenery looking very much the same in urban areas no matter where you simulate in the world, missing my reality xp gps from version 9, and wishing there were more things available to improve it.On the other hand-a few weeks ago i fired up the sim in Juneau Alaska-flew around-then did the same in fsx...fsx looked very dated even with all my add ins and xplane showed its stuff. In terms of stats-there is more of the world that is probably superior in xplane (the rural areas) that is modelled better than fsx now. Unfortunately, most will be simulating flying to the polulated areas-and xplane just doesn't make it ...yet...there-both buildings, and looks wise.Still worth it imho.

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Honestly, there is no harm in buying it. The night lighting, water, and weather cannot be beat. And although it is lacking in some places such as urban environments , these WILL be addressed and keep in mind that the updates come regularly and are free. And there will be add- ons that come out that will make it way better, just like fsx. You can buy it now and experiment with it, and if you don't like some aspects of it, such as the scenery or aircraft, just go back to fsx for a bit and wait for it to become better. Or if your a sim nut like me, you can use both at the same time. Since i just got the ngx, i use fsx alot more for longer routes where i like to simulate procedural realism, however, if i want to do a vfr flight through the mountains in a cessna 152, i use xplane. Maybe this will change around 10.2 when xpx is stable and/ or when the 737 classic & xp jets 777 come out. Also cant wait for Goran's dc-3 and the beaver to come out aswell. And on a side note, im sure austin and laminar know what peoples concerns are and are doing everything they can. On a another side note, this flame war between fsx and xp is just ridiculous. Technically they are just pieces of simulation software, why does it matter which sim people chose to use?

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