Does anyone know for sure what would be a normal CI for SAS on their 738's with winglets (like Freja Viking LN-RRH)?I know this has been discussed in several threads before and in one thread I read SAS uses a CI of 40-50 but that seemed a bit high to me after reading in another thread a normal CI value for NGs is between 10-30...

40-50 seems incredibly high. I know that KLM use a CI of 8 for their 738 and Norwegian uses a CL of 15 for the most part

Seems like it's 45-50

Edited February 17, 201214 yr by nikita

Some of those numbers are not really up to date, I know that KLM uses (at cruise when on scheduled time) CI 7 on the 737, CI8 on the 738 and CI11 on the 739 as per 02.05.2012

I already found the CI "database" and which says SAS uses 45-50 but it doesn't say in what a/c type and I doubt they use such a high CI considering what other airliners use. But who knows, maybe using such a high CI is why they are one of the best airlines holding their timetables :wink:We don't have a real NG driver in here flying for SAS do we who could shed some light on this...?

After trying many numbers,giving a CI then looking the speed in the CRZ page and based on the cruise speed of southwest or American i can see on flightaware (a TAS of 451 or 452 knots), i got a cost index of 35. that's what i use and the EET is so accurate with the displayed on flightaware (taking winds in account of course) :(

Edited February 17, 201214 yr by larrywell

SAS uses 7 right now. The source is the briefing sheet, which is provided by SAS's system RODOS before departure :)

Thanks a lot, that was not even near 45-50 just as I guessed! Having this info available are you by any chance the real SAS NG driver in here I was looking for :(?

Another question, is CI for all SAS NG a/c or for a specific model? I'm most interested in the CI used for 738 with winglets like LN-RRH or LN-RRJ for example since I do all my flying in LN-RRH in FS.

45-50 is pretty standard for SAS B738

Quite a difference between 45-50 and 7 which was said just above, what's your source 45-50 is real SAS CI values for 738's?

45-50 is way to high. In the SAS DVD I have they use Ci 6 for all flights. It's a little old now so, 7 is probably a good guess, the oil isn't cheaper.

I found this ..hope it helps!Air Baltic: 28B757 CI: 50Air Berlin: 30Air Canada B767s :100Air FranceShort/medium haul flight : 35La Navette (France) : 250Longhaul : 45Delayed shorthaul : 250Delayed longhaul : 135Air Malta B737 CI: 25Air New Zealand B767: 45AirTran: 30Alaska: 17Austrian 35British AirwaysAirbus Fleet:A319/A320/A321Climb at: Cost Index 0Cruise at Cost Index 20Boeing Fleet:Boeing 737-300/400 and 500 SeriesClimb at: Cost Index 0Cruise at Cost Index 28Boeing 747-400Climb at: Cost Index 0Cruise at Cost Index 90Cost Index 0 (Sometimes used on East Coast USA to UK Flights and less often on UK to Singapore/Bangkok flights)Boeing 757-200 and Boeing 767-300Climb at: Cost Index 0Cruise at Cost Index 40Boeing 777-200Climb at: Cost Index 0Cruise at Cost Index 100Cost Index 0 (Sometimes used on East Coast USA to UK Flights)British Midland 40Cathay B744 CI:China Airlines 85 (B747)CondorBoeing 767-300ER: 30Boeing 757: 18EasyJetAirbus A319 Cost Index: 12Airbus A320 Cost Index: 12Airbus A321 Cost Index: 23EL AL737's: 15-30747's: 39(short/mid haul- Europe)757's: 20-40767's: 30-45(30-40 for Europe, 40-45 long haul)777's: 71(long haul, ex KLAX)EmiratesAirbus A330-200 Cost Index: 25FlyGlobespanBoeing 737-700 Cost Index: 14Boeing 737-800 Cost Index: 13FlyNiki 35Hamburg InternationalAirbus A319: 40Boeing 737-700: 30KLMF70/100 Climb/Cruise : 30/15737 Climb/Cruise : 30/15A330 Climb/Cruise/Descend : 60/150(300)/30MD11 Climb/Cruise/Descend : 50/100/20777 Climb/Cruise/Descend : 50/100/20747 Climb/Cruise/Descend : 150/300/50LufthansaAirbusse: 30Boeing 747-400: 70Airbus A300-600: 35Boeing 737-300: 25Lufthansa Cargo Luxair 50Nordavia Boeing 737-500 CI-27NordStar Airlines B737 NG: CI 30Norwegian 737-800: 15QantasB744 CI: 100Cost Index 40 for domestic flightsCost Index 20 for most International plans, however they may be planned up to CI250 to meet schedule/duty limitsRyanairBoeing 737-800 Cost Index: 30SAS 45-50Singapore Airlines B747/B777 CI:150Skyexpress Russia B737CL 28South African 50Southwest Airlines737-300/500 CI:28737-700 CI:36Swiss AirlinesA32S:FL290 and below: CI 10above FL290: CI 20A330-200 and A340-300:LRC: CI 30M.082 Cruise: CI 30 for Climb/Descend and Cruise up to FL280, above M.082 manually editedM.083 Cruise: CI 150 for Climb/Descend and Cruise up to FL290, above above M.083 manually editedThomson AirwaysAirbus A320 Cost Index: 13Airbus A321 Cost Index: 17Boeing 737-300 Cost Index: 10Boeing 737-800 Cost Index: 9Boeing 757-200 Cos Index: 10Boeing 767-300Long Haul Cost Index: 19Short Haul Cost Index: 11Ukraine International Airlinescost index: 14B737 Classic: 19-20B737 NG: 28United AirlinesFlight with duration < 4 Hours:A319 and A320 = Cost Index 27B737-300 and B737-500 = Cost Index 35B747-400 = Cost Index 90B757-200 = Cost Index B767-300 = Cost Index 65B777-200 = Cost Index 85Flights with duration > 4 Hours:A319 and A320 = Cost Index 22B737-300 and B737-500 = Cost Index 30B747-400 = Cost Index 85B757-200 = Cost Index 75B767-300 = Cost Index 60B777-200 = Cost Index Virgin AtlanticA340-300 CI = 30A340-600 CI = 40B747-400 CI = 73 - 93B747 :150WestjetB737NG :20-25

45-50 is way to high. In the SAS DVD I have they use Ci 6 for all flights. It's a little old now so, 7 is probably a good guess, the oil isn't cheaper.

What SAS DVD is that? I have a couple of them myself but can't remember they talk about CI.

I found this ..hope it helps!Air Baltic: 28B757 CI: 50Air Berlin: 30Air Canada B767s :100Air FranceShort/medium haul flight : 35La Navette (France) : 250Longhaul : 45Delayed shorthaul : 250Delayed longhaul : 135Air Malta B737 CI: 25Air New Zealand B767: 45AirTran: 30Alaska: 17Austrian 35British AirwaysAirbus Fleet:A319/A320/A321Climb at: Cost Index 0Cruise at Cost Index 20Boeing Fleet:Boeing 737-300/400 and 500 SeriesClimb at: Cost Index 0Cruise at Cost Index 28Boeing 747-400Climb at: Cost Index 0Cruise at Cost Index 90Cost Index 0 (Sometimes used on East Coast USA to UK Flights and less often on UK to Singapore/Bangkok flights)Boeing 757-200 and Boeing 767-300Climb at: Cost Index 0Cruise at Cost Index 40Boeing 777-200Climb at: Cost Index 0Cruise at Cost Index 100Cost Index 0 (Sometimes used on East Coast USA to UK Flights)British Midland 40Cathay B744 CI:China Airlines 85 (B747)CondorBoeing 767-300ER: 30Boeing 757: 18EasyJetAirbus A319 Cost Index: 12Airbus A320 Cost Index: 12Airbus A321 Cost Index: 23EL AL737's: 15-30747's: 39(short/mid haul- Europe)757's: 20-40767's: 30-45(30-40 for Europe, 40-45 long haul)777's: 71(long haul, ex KLAX)EmiratesAirbus A330-200 Cost Index: 25FlyGlobespanBoeing 737-700 Cost Index: 14Boeing 737-800 Cost Index: 13FlyNiki 35Hamburg InternationalAirbus A319: 40Boeing 737-700: 30KLMF70/100 Climb/Cruise : 30/15737 Climb/Cruise : 30/15A330 Climb/Cruise/Descend : 60/150(300)/30MD11 Climb/Cruise/Descend : 50/100/20777 Climb/Cruise/Descend : 50/100/20747 Climb/Cruise/Descend : 150/300/50LufthansaAirbusse: 30Boeing 747-400: 70Airbus A300-600: 35Boeing 737-300: 25Lufthansa Cargo Luxair 50Nordavia Boeing 737-500 CI-27NordStar Airlines B737 NG: CI 30Norwegian 737-800: 15QantasB744 CI: 100Cost Index 40 for domestic flightsCost Index 20 for most International plans, however they may be planned up to CI250 to meet schedule/duty limitsRyanairBoeing 737-800 Cost Index: 30SAS 45-50Singapore Airlines B747/B777 CI:150Skyexpress Russia B737CL 28South African 50Southwest Airlines737-300/500 CI:28737-700 CI:36Swiss AirlinesA32S:FL290 and below: CI 10above FL290: CI 20A330-200 and A340-300:LRC: CI 30M.082 Cruise: CI 30 for Climb/Descend and Cruise up to FL280, above M.082 manually editedM.083 Cruise: CI 150 for Climb/Descend and Cruise up to FL290, above above M.083 manually editedThomson AirwaysAirbus A320 Cost Index: 13Airbus A321 Cost Index: 17Boeing 737-300 Cost Index: 10Boeing 737-800 Cost Index: 9Boeing 757-200 Cos Index: 10Boeing 767-300Long Haul Cost Index: 19Short Haul Cost Index: 11Ukraine International Airlinescost index: 14B737 Classic: 19-20B737 NG: 28United AirlinesFlight with duration < 4 Hours:A319 and A320 = Cost Index 27B737-300 and B737-500 = Cost Index 35B747-400 = Cost Index 90B757-200 = Cost Index B767-300 = Cost Index 65B777-200 = Cost Index 85Flights with duration > 4 Hours:A319 and A320 = Cost Index 22B737-300 and B737-500 = Cost Index 30B747-400 = Cost Index 85B757-200 = Cost Index 75B767-300 = Cost Index 60B777-200 = Cost Index Virgin AtlanticA340-300 CI = 30A340-600 CI = 40B747-400 CI = 73 - 93B747 :150WestjetB737NG :20-25

Thanks but as I said above I already found this CI "Database" and I don't think it's very trustworthy.

Hi. I think that talking about CI values could be interesting but I can't find a "truth" about it: you know: you could find "average values" but often CI is defined for a single specific flight depending on flight profitability margin ecc. ecc. (payload, cost and profit curve, fuel tankering policy, time policy (saving time because we're late or saving fuel arriving late) etc. etc.) for example in your docs results a CI for Easyjet A319 of 12 but when a couple of years ago I was flying a Sofia-Milan Malpensa (LBSF-LIMC) and the captain gave me a flightplan print-out their CI was 6.Best RegardsAndrea Buono