It is important to note that Microsoft have never supported TrackIR in any of their games, so it not surprising, nor a precedent, for there to be no support in Flight. FS8 and FS9 had TrackIR support hacked in by NaturalPoint. FSX provided SimConnect for advanced simulation control including viewpoint control which could be used by head trackers, including but not limited to TrackIR. The open interface allowed EZdok to exist, a popular tool for advanced camera control.Lobbying for TrackIR support is lobbying for a closed and encrypted interface that excludes other head trackers and programs like EZdok. The sim-lite approach of Flight does not seem compatible with SimConnect, but hopefully Microsoft will continue to support an open platform for head tracking.

I remember TiR support had to be "hacked" into IL2 and CFS3 also. I hope NP is on it as I really want to buy a TiR5, and I will the moment they have Flight support for it!

excludes other head trackers and programs like EZdok

HelloAre you really sure of your facts here.Strange how most of us TrackIR users are also running Ezdok along side it. in fact the two together are perfect.Having trackIR support built into FSX did not stop anyone running FacetrackNoir or Freetrack ever.

It is important to note that Microsoft have never supported TrackIR in any of their games, so it not surprising, nor a precedent, for there to be no support in Flight. FS8 and FS9 had TrackIR support hacked in by NaturalPoint.

This isn't an entirely accurate depiction of our past relationship with Microsoft, which was amicable from the beginning. They actually consulted with us when they were developing their Simconnect interface. It's true that some of our earliest access to games was via viewmod, but this was generally because our tech was in its infancy and our API nonexistent or in-development--not, as it sounds like you're implying, because Microsoft elected to not support TrackIR in those titles.

I remember TiR support had to be "hacked" into IL2 and CFS3 also. I hope NP is on it as I really want to buy a TiR5, and I will the moment they have Flight support for it!

TrackIR wasn't actually "hacked" into IL2. It was integrated via our API. But the IL2 dev team, until recently, didn't implement the full 6 DOF. There were mods that emerged from the community to open up all 6 DOF. But the core support was still implemented with our API.Regarding Flight, rest assured that we're continuing to reach out to the dev team regularly, and we've already provided them with all of the tools they need to make it happen.

Strange how most of us TrackIR users are also running Ezdok along side it. in fact the two together are perfect.

This is correct. We worked with the Ezdok developer to ensure that TrackIR and Ezdok would be compatible, despite the challenges that the Simconnect interface posed at that time. Suggesting that Ezdok isn't compatible with TrackIR in FSX is incorrect.

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Suggesting that Ezdok isn't compatible with TrackIR in FSX is incorrect.

Seth, with respect that is not what was written:

Lobbying for TrackIR support [in Flight]* is lobbying for a closed and encrypted interface that excludes other head trackers and programs like EZdok.

* Nota bene: it's critical to keep the thread of the context to properly parse the meaning.That is a quite true and accurate observation. Any support effort made by MSGS to support an external application such as TrackIR should not preclude allowing said support to be extended to other apps as well.

Seth, thanks for responding here.It should be obvious that TrackIR is the number one thing missing from the Flight experience for many of us at present.I just wouldn't fly FSX without this piece of gear, but am giving Flight a go without it in the short term as I like the engine's depiction of 'low and slow' flying.In the medium term, this will be what stops me using Flight if no support happens. Despite really enjoying microsoft's latest effort, head tracking is just too essential to pass up.Please continue to do what you can to get Microsoft to support this. Everyone should win - Microsoft will keep some of the serious simmers flying their new sim (who, like me, will otherwise move on) and Track IR gets access to a new and potentially very large audience.Good luck, and let us know if there 's someone at MS who we should all be lobbying. :)

I just wouldn't fly FSX without this piece of gear, but am giving Flight a go without it in the short term as I like the engine's depiction of 'low and slow' flying.In the medium term, this will be what stops me using Flight if no support happens. Despite really enjoying microsoft's latest effort, head tracking is just too essential to pass up.

I agree. Well, I agreed up to a few minutes ago... I just had a few awesome flights and experiences in MS Flight which completely sold me. With or without Track IR, MS Flight is my GA sim from now on. I never expected to say this because I always said I wouldn't run FSX without Track IR. But well, this is MS Flight... and it's too good to pass. ( http://forum.avsim.net/topic/364347-two-of-the-best-moments-ever-in-a-flight-sim/ )

Could it be that they are delaying support for Trackir because they might develop their own Kinect system for Flight? Neither would i be surprised if their main focus is to release Flight on the Xbox, since that's were the real money is...they would then also have no need for Trackir support. If Trackir had any importance for them, they would have implemented it already. It can't be that difficult for a professional software company (especially with support from Naturalpoint).Kind Regards,André

Track IR is a must for me in the long run. My head is trained that way now, and my thumb just does not cooperate with my eyes. For now I can partially adjust, but I don't think I should have to.Kind regards,

Track IR is a must for me in the long run. My head is trained that way now, and my thumb just does not cooperate with my eyes. For now I can partially adjust, but I don't think I should have to.Kind regards,

Agree completely, I am about to try out Flight and I am sure will find some enjoyment, but it won't be nearly as enjoyable for me without the Track IR support. Going to be very hard for me to fly without it... I sure do hope, support for it gets included before too long.

 

Agree completely, I am about to try out Flight and I am sure will find some enjoyment, but it won't be nearly as enjoyable for me without the Track IR support. Going to be very hard for me to fly without it... I sure do hope, support for it gets included before too long.

Well, to tell you the truth (obviously... ) I am a huge Track IR fan and I really hope Track IR will work in MS Flight SOON, but... MS Flight is so good that I can't stop flying and even if Track IR will NOT be supported, I think I will keep on flying in MS Flight... (Can't believe I just said that!)

Well it is now officially installed... download and installation appears to have gone fine, chose to install to a different hard drive, no problem there it seems.Will be having a look real soon now, without my Track IR < sniff>

Seth, with respect that is not what was written:

Lobbying for TrackIR support is lobbying for a closed and encrypted interface that excludes other head trackers and programs like EZdok.

That is a quite true and accurate observation.

It's actually not accurate, or not wholly so. At least, not as a general rule, as I can't speak specifically to the constraints of the Flight engine. Just to clarify further, even in Flight, TrackIR support shouldn't limit the integration of EZdok or other head tracking devices. For example: even though our own API was only developed for use with our hardware, it should be totally possible for the Flight team to support both TrackIR AND Kinect by implementing a Kinect API in addition to the TrackIR API.

Ok guys, all I can say is - I need Track IR support! I have only flown the first couple of missions, but dadgum I miss having my Track IR!What is it Nike says - Just Do It :Money Eyes:

Ok guys, all I can say is - I need Track IR support! I have only flown the first couple of missions, but dadgum I miss having my Track IR!What is it Nike says - Just Do It :Money Eyes:

Absolutely!