Bought Just Flight's 'old banger' Boeing 737 this morning, but the downloaded exe file will not open at all. Anyone else finding that? I never normally have problems with Just Flight's downloads, so it seems a bit odd. No reply from their support as yet.Al

looks like a corrupt download.can you download again..worth a trysteve-0

Maybe a re-download might fix it.?

Tried that about ten times, it's not the issue, or at least it seems like it is not the issue at my end.Al

Don't know what OS you are using but an option is to make sure that the executable is "unblocked" in its file properties?Bryan.

Right click, run as administrator?

It was Firefox causing the problem - Using 64 bit IE instead to D/L it sorted the problem out. That's me done with Firefox, I'm sick of them arsing about with it all the time, patching it continuously and causing issues like this. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions.Al

It was Firefox causing the problem - Using 64 bit IE instead to D/L it sorted the problem out. That's me done with Firefox, I'm sick of them arsing about with it all the time, patching it continuously and causing issues like this. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions.Al

Glad it's sorted. I was havening some issues with Firefox continuously hanging after waiting for long downloads, only to corrupt the download because of a CTD. I'm about to throw in the towel with Firefox as well, but my Noscript add-on is very important to me. :

I look forward to hearing your views on this a/c, Chock.

I look forward to hearing your views on this a/c, Chock.

I actually like it a lot having flown about with it a bit with it today, but you should bear in mind that I am a sucker for 737s, so I am probably not the most impartial of judges. It's no PMDG, but it is nevertheless a pretty faithful representation on a 200ADV where it matters most, i.e. in how it flies and in what instrumentation and systems are modeled.So you can do a proper start up with it (in fact you will have to have the bleeds, electrics, fuel and such on the overhead set up correctly if you want to crank it up via the start switches, unless you are inclined to hit Control+S), and you can navigate in a realistic manner with it, so that's most people's important boxes ticked straight away.As far as emulating a real 200 series 737's cockpit goes, it is quite well endowed in the avionics department, i.e. more like one of the better airline's choices of fit, although that is obviously a lot less equipment than you find on an NG's flight deck, so the need to use radio navigation means fans of FMC button pushing are unlikely to enjoy it as much as an NG or a 400, but it does manage a good automated ILS alignment, so it's not completely without aids to flying if you need them. It flies well manually, which is just as well since the real 200 is, in most pilot's opinions, the nicest-handling of all the 737 variants. Also importantly from a realism standpoint, it is a slippery son of a *****, like the real thing is, so descents require some thought, and again as with the real thing, the JTs clamshell thrust reversers are crappy compared to 737s with CFMs and high bypass thrust, so when it comes to landing it doesn't stop on a dime like an NG can, which is a pleasing bit of simulated realism. On the real thing, the downward thrust from the clamshell reversers makes the 200 and 100 series 737s lighter on their main wheels, so they can on occasion brake less effectively and skid about when in reverse thrust, thus the less than stellar braking that is modeled on the JF 200 is inkeeping with what pilots of the real thing have to deal with. It's also worth noting that it will roll on idle thrust too, so taxying it in a realistic manner is quite possible as well. Both good points for those who rate ground handling simulation as an important point.Proportionally, the model is good overall, the windows and engine nacelles might not have quite enough polygons for those who like ultra-close-up screenshots, but all the bits seem to be in the right places for an ADV, i.e. it has the correct modified inboard leading edge slats, the landing lights are on the outboard wing section, there is no gang bar on the landing light switches, no automatic pressure, etc, etc. Texturing is good on the whole, with some nice old airline paint jobs such as Britannia and the like. Nice details such as smoke stains on the fuselage from the thrust reversers are in evidence and as per the real thing, those engines do spit out a fair bit of smoke when it is whizzing about the skies.Inside, cockpit graphics are better than recent efforts from Just Flight, such as their rather too shiny and clean DC-6, although I think the cockpit could do with being a bit more of a dark bluish grey, as it is on the somewhat austere cockpit of a real 200. Nevertheless, nice touches such as one or two shiny toggle switches on the overhead (if you have bloom etc on) help to give it a used feel. It's not on par with old airliner cockpits in offerings from Captain Sim such as that seen on their 707 and 727, but it's not far off it in the places where it matters, although stuff which is not simulated, such as the rear bulkhead circuit breakers, are not given much texturing attention.The sound is okay, not quite that 'Lear 23' turbojet scream, but it is okay, and there are some decent payware and freeware JT sounds kicking about anyway if you don't like it the way it is. In the cockpit however, the sound is great (i.e. noisy like a real old 737 is) with the wipers making a right racket and the trim wheel clattering away like mad. On the real thing, those eyebrow windows don't help make it quiet either. Throw in AccuSim's recent FSX realism add-on and you've got some good classic rattling jet fun right there.Of course with 737 original series model contenders from Captain Sim and now MILVIZ too apparently, it's got some competition, but you could do a lot worse than to check it out. For twitchy credit card fingers, it does have the advantage of being available now, unlike the partially complete CS one and the yet to come MILVIZ one, although one can of course now stick this JF cockpit in the CS 737s too and enjoy a correct VC in their excellent original series 737 models whilst awaiting their own efforts on that score.If you can live with it being visually good, rather than visually stunning (keeping in mind that this polygonal and texturing compromise does help frame rates), and if you like the 737, then you will probably not be disappointed. I'm certainly happy with it and am looking forward to whizzing around virtual Europe with it.Al

Thanks for your report Al! I am really wanting to get this bird, but after all of the initial negative feedback I am a bit hesitant. You seem to be enjoying this plane and so I ask: Would you recommend this 737 to one, such as myself, who tends to look more at the big picture and less at the very minor details? Thanks for your feedback!Cheers, Pete

If you are the kind of person who likes perfectly round engine nacelle polygons, pefectly shaped passenger windows and very high res cockpit graphics of the kind found in the PMDG NG, then I imagine you will find that the JF 737-200 does not float your boat. But if you can live with a few compromises in that department, which seem to be geared toward improving frame rates, then there is little to complain about as far as the actual simulation of a B737-200ADV is concerned.One suspects the MILVIZ one will be a bit more polished in these respects, and possibly have more fidelity too, but this is nevertheless a worthy effort from JF. I have finally retired my souped-up AeroSim FS9 737-200 (which I ported into FSX and tarted up with the excellent Integrated Sim Avionics) because of this JF one. Who knows, I might even sling that ISG FMC in the JF one to simulate what a few airlines did. This JF 737-200 bodes well for future offerings from Just Flight in my opinion, even moreso than their DC-3, Connie, Comet, Viscount and DC-6.I've no doubt that I will buy the MILVIZ one, and may end up preferring it, but as noted on the preceding post, I am a sucker for 737s, and I can never have too many of them LOL.In short, I do think it's worth the price tag if you want an original 737 for FSX, but keep in mind that, since the 737 is my favourite jetliner, any 737 for FS would have to be a real dog for me to not have a punt at it, and sad as it may be, money is not an issue for me where FS 737s are concerned, I'll always buy them, as evidenced by the fact that I'm one of those who bought the overpriced Ariane ones. I'm a developer's dream come true where FS 737s are concerned LOL, so if you are considerably more level headed, you might wait for the MILVIZ one.Al

What about slapping the FeelThere VC into the CS model? Best of both worlds? Does the systems and FDE follow along when one does that? I have both the CS 100 and 200 which I thought was a fair deal for the price being a hand flyer. CS's rushed-new offering is a bit confusing (guess they are worried they are losing sales). So I will let the dust settle to see if I wish to continue that route or go with MILVIZ as you say.

If you are the kind of person who likes perfectly round engine nacelle polygons, pefectly shaped passenger windows and very high res cockpit graphics of the kind found in the PMDG NG, then I imagine you will find that the JF 737-200 does not float your boat. But if you can live with a few compromises in that department, which seem to be geared toward improving frame rates, then there is little to complain about as far as the actual simulation of a B737-200ADV is concerned.One suspects the MILVIZ one will be a bit more polished in these respects, and possibly have more fidelity too, but this is nevertheless a worthy effort from JF. I have finally retired my souped-up AeroSim FS9 737-200 (which I ported into FSX and tarted up with the excellent Integrated Sim Avionics) because of this JF one. Who knows, I might even sling that ISG FMC in the JF one to simulate what a few airlines did. This JF 737-200 bodes well for future offerings from Just Flight in my opinion, even moreso than their DC-3, Connie, Comet, Viscount and DC-6.I've no doubt that I will buy the MILVIZ one, and may end up preferring it, but as noted on the preceding post, I am a sucker for 737s, and I can never have too many of them LOL.In short, I do think it's worth the price tag if you want an original 737 for FSX, but keep in mind that, since the 737 is my favourite jetliner, any 737 for FS would have to be a real dog for me to not have a punt at it, and sad as it may be, money is not an issue for me where FS 737s are concerned, I'll always buy them, as evidenced by the fact that I'm one of those who bought the overpriced Ariane ones. I'm a developer's dream come true where FS 737s are concerned LOLAl

Thanks for your input Al; I think I am sold. This sounds like it would be my cup of tea since I tend not to notice minor defects. I suspect if it's good enough for you then it will be for me; I too am a big 737 fan so I will buy.Cheers, Pete

What about slapping the FeelThere VC into the CS model? Best of both worlds? Does the systems and FDE follow along when one does that? I have both the CS 100 and 200 which I thought was a fair deal for the price being a hand flyer. CS's rushed-new offering is a bit confusing (guess they are worried they are losing sales). So I will let the dust settle to see if I wish to continue that route or go with MILVIZ as you say.

Getting the flight model from one to another means swapping or tweaking the aircraft's config file (i.e. you could have a default Cessna 172 with a payware Concorde flight model if you wanted, by swapping the aircraft config files, but you would not have the instruments, since that would mean swapping the cockpits as well, which is of course easy to do with native FSX models, but they are two separate operations).Technically, both Classic and NG cockpits are not correct for an original 737, since the central pedestal is wider on 737s built after 1986 (this means some early 'classic' 737-300s built in the transitional stages do actually have the narrow 'original' central pedestal, but not many of them). The wider pedestal on later 737s facilitates more avionics boxes and the placement of FMCs, and also means you are more likely to smack your knees getting into the pilot's seats unless you move the seat, which is worth doing because I can confirm that smacking your knee or shin on the corner of the central pedestal really hurts!This is one of the physical reasons why it is expensive to get an FMC into a 200 series 737, in addition to the technical challenges of such an upgade as well, although ironically enough, it was in fact the original prototype 737-100 which first had an FMC (fitted when NASA were developing it, since they bought the 100 series prototype from Boeing) and Continental and Lufthansa 737-200s and 727-200s were the aircraft which were used to test those first FMCs in actual commercial trials, so it is perfectly realistic to stick an FMC into an original 737, even if you are a stickler for realism.Al