Captain Sim's model is, well, stunning. I think that it's the best of all the 737s out there - Yes, i think it beats the 737NGX, it's just nicer to look at and maybe even the best model out there for FSX

+100. Captain Sim models are the best. The 737 is a masterpiece. They say CS systems are less impressive? Can't agree, CS systems are OK. Moreover CS is the only developer that has a functional WX radar. Even PMDG don't have it for some lame excuse.As for MILVIZ 737 it just does not look alive. VC proportions and shapes are totaly off. All VC windows just awful: shape, angles, position, frames all wrong. Makes me wonder if the designer ever seen the 732 cockpit pictures? Check airliners.net. Textures are cartoonish, not even close to CS photorealistic ones. Exterior is very questionable as well. Bare metal is a joke.To sumup it's a weak offer comparing to CS 737.As for the recent Justlfight 737 I'll be short: FS2002 era freeware quality junk.

Hmm will definitely check milviz one... I am still not too sure about flight dynamics of CS aircrafts, at least after doing flight with their 727 it feels kind of like a toy to fly, feels extremely stable with turbulence not affecting it at all. When I move flight controls from hard turn back to middle motion stops instantly although it does actually take small time from ailerons to get back from extended position.JF 732 seems fine, but maybe milviz can offer even more realistic experience.

As for the recent Justlfight 737 I'll be short: FS2002 era freeware quality junk.

Its not that bad at all, unless you care only about graphics. I rather take JF one than CS product with buggy systems and toy like flight dynamics.Also WX Radar is pretty much useless as FSX cant model bad weather very realistic way.CS does graphics probably better than any other developer, but mostly their flight dynamics do not seem to be much better than FSX default jets.And CS systems? In my experiences they are ok only after many patches.

Gee this is starting to sound like the previous dev wars....tone down guys.

Wow, am I the only one flabbergasted? I wonder how much goodwill CS has lost with this spat?

CS has lost nothing. That was MILVIZ who initiated that talk. CS just responded politely.

Also WX Radar is pretty much useless as FSX cant model bad weather very realistic way.

The truth is FSX cant model ANYTHING very realistic way. It's just a PC game.And CS radar works like a charm. As you don't have it you can watch the video http://www.captainsim.com/products/r001/

The truth is FSX cant model ANYTHING very realistic way. It's just a PC game.And CS radar works like a charm. As you don't have it you can watch the video http://www.captainsi.../products/r001/

It can model systems pretty realistic way if I actually think about it, when developer with proper experience such as PMDG is making those systems. I do have standalone CS weather radar addon and nothing to complain about it, its nice little thing but as there is no real use for it in FSX I do not see it as anything essential or even important for addon.

Captain Sim's model is, well, stunning. I think that it's the best of all the 737s out there - Yes, i think it beats the 737NGX, it's just nicer to look at and maybe even the best model out there for FSX along with some crazy carenado ones.

Even the AoA indicator works on the NGX model, along with proper mach trim, outflow valve, lighting, nose steering system, gear oleo struts, etc. Even the dimensions are spot on. But hey, we're entitled to our opinions. I will agree that I'm partial to the -200 model, so have an affinity towards it either way.

+100. Captain Sim models are the best. The 737 is a masterpiece. They say CS systems are less impressive? Can't agree, CS systems are OK. Moreover CS is the only developer that has a functional WX radar. Even PMDG don't have it for some lame excuse.<---- Coming from someone toting a CS banner.As for MILVIZ 737 it just does not look alive. VC proportions and shapes are totaly off. All VC windows just awful: shape, angles, position, frames all wrong. Makes me wonder if the designer ever seen the 732 cockpit pictures? Silly. And wrong. But hey, you're the expert because of the next line...... ----> Check airliners.net. Textures are cartoonish, not even close to CS photorealistic ones. Exterior is very questionable as well. Bare metal is a joke.To sumup it's a weak offer comparing to CS 737. As for the recent Justlfight 737 I'll be short: FS2002 era freeware quality junk. <--- Hyperbole? Yes. Though I agree, the JF VC and model is ugly.

The truth is FSX cant model ANYTHING very realistic way. It's just a PC game.And CS radar works like a charm. As you don't have it you can watch the video http://www.captainsi.../products/r001/

:( :Talking Ear Off:I guess it's a lost cause then. We shouldn't ask CS to model things realistically anymore, because it's futile. /sarcasm Where do you come up with this stuff, Stan? Where? A WX radar is more important than proper pneumatics, fuel systems, avionics, A/P, Electrical systems, sounds, etc? C'mon. :(

I guess it's a lost cause then. We shouldn't ask CS to model things realistically anymore, because it's futile. /sarcasm Where do you come up with this stuff, Stan? Where? A WX radar is more important than proper pneumatics, fuel systems, avionics, A/P, Electrical systems, sounds, etc? C'mon

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First of all, welcome to MSFS commercial developers club.I think it's inappropriate to discuss b2b issues in public forums, but if you insist:The only that Milviz did on our B-52 was:- UV and texturing of our existing VC model.- Instrument panels in our existing VC model.- Some default FXS coding of some systems.Upon delivery all three items have been redone/improved by CS significally. There's not a single pixel that has been released as is from Milviz.Anyways, that was the first and the last time CS hired Milviz because your quality is below CS standards.We wish you best luck with your very first airliner project.

Can I just honestly say that I was considering buying the CS 737 this evening, and will not be, as a result of this attitude. Quite unbelievable. Whether he is the owner or just a support guy for CS I do not know, but the person using the "CaptainSim" ID on this forum, should not be allowed anywhere near public forums.That is a shocking attitude and so unprofessional.....I say that as neither a CS fan nor hater, and same for MilViz ...... I own 5 CS products and 1 MilViz .... but that comment was just deeply unprofessional and arrogant. :(

Gentlemen,This thread is tilting into lockable territory. Chock's original post deserves better than this, don't you think?Kind regards,

Just to spin this around a bit - since the CS 732 doesn't include a realistic FDE yet (0.5), has anybody tried porting over the Tinmouse freeware 732 FDE to the CS 732? I must admit I've never tried the Tinmouse so I can't say if it's any better though...

This thread is tilting into lockable territory. Chock's original post deserves better than this, don't you think?

Stephen, you could not have put it better. Pity,it's got to this,and Stick has summed it well.

Just to spin this around a bit - since the CS 732 doesn't include a realistic FDE yet (0.5), has anybody tried porting over the Tinmouse freeware 732 FDE to the CS 732? I must admit I've never tried the Tinmouse so I can't say if it's any better though...

I suggest you take the time to download and install the Tinmouse II. It's excellent and one of the community's best kept secrets in freeware aircraft. The lack of a VC never really bugged me with this one.As far as moving the FDE around, I'm not sure if it would work. The Tinmouse isn't exactly a simple flight model. It doesn't even use FS's default flap logic (for lack of a better term) to simulate flaps. EPR settings are near spot on to my old Piedmont Airlines FCOM, and the PDCS is great fun in conjunction with the older Sperry 77. Speaking of which, the Autopilot and PDCS on the Just Flight add-on is pretty darn good considering the rest of the product.

I use Tinmouse II for FSX but I think Zach's right, it uses many non-conventional aspects; especially around the flaps and speedbrakes. If anyone is feeling brave enough to copy the .air file and entries from the aircraft.cfg to give it a go though! ......personally I think until CS release the 'proper' FDE, making tweaks to the [Flight Tuning] section of the aircraft.cfg is probably the way to go, to get a better flying 732. :(

Everyone,It is with deep regret that I am locking this thread. I have had different emails explaining sides, but we can't be judges on who is right or wrong, but we can put a stop to the fighting match in this thread at least. Sorry Chock, your topic deserved better.Kind regards,