I don't support cramming your own personal preference down someone else's throat either

I'm not cramming my personal preference down someone else's throat. As far as I'm concerned, PMDG will develop and produce what they see fit for their market model, be it 2D, or non-2D and not based on the plethora of 'I-want-this-and we-want-that' as has been sprouting up all over this 777 Forum.

 

I have yet to see anywhere in any of the pre-release PMDG models, and I have everyone of their products dating back to the Beechcraft 1900C/D, where PMDG have asked Joe Public the way they should develop this or that. So, whatever PMDG put out, if I feel it is worth me shelling out, then I'll exercise the right to do so, be it without 2D or with 2D.

 

I am happy with what they produced with the 737NGX, so have no quibbles about it, but others should be given a choice to state their likes or dislikes, and not have a ton of anti-2Ds descend on them

They are talking of removing what a good portion of users use. I think a couple of you are just repeating "they've made their decision and that's final". I don't agree with that. If enough people voice their opinions they could always add the 2D.

 

PMDG, like many companies will market their products towards what they think the majority of their customers will actually use.

There have been more 2D vs 3D polls, discussions, and debates then I can count. In the end 3D was the more popular choice and PMDG made a decision based on this; their decision to not model a full 2D cockpit for the 777.

 

You may or may not agree with it, but they did make the decision and it is pretty final. Unless a huge influx of 2D users suddenly overflow the forums with an overwhelming demand and presence for PMDG to change their mind, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

 

Really though, I wish that their products catered to all types of pilots. I wish every single monitor user could enjoy their 3D alongside every multiple monitor user enjoying their 2D. Simple fact is they plainly stated that the cost of doing it both ways isn't worth it to them both in time and money.

They had to make a decision based on a business standpoint and they made it.

 

There is nothing wrong with the way you choose to fly, whether it's 2D or 3D, but my point is continuing a crusade against PMDG & 3D users isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

Btw, this post isn't aimed at anyone, I just used your quote as the basis of my post.

 

I'm not cramming my personal preference down someone else's throat.

 

My other post wasn't aimed at you, either.

You guys need to relax.

There have been more 2D vs 3D polls, discussions, and debates then I can count

 

Source?

 

PMDG made a decision based on this; their decision to not model a full 2D cockpit for the 777.

 

Did they? He said that it probably wouldn't include a full 2D overhead. Go watch the video again.

 

Unless a huge influx of 2D users suddenly overflow the forums with an overwhelming demand and presence for PMDG to change their mind, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

 

Thanks for your opinion.

 

Really though, I wish that their products catered to all types of pilots. I wish every single monitor user could enjoy their 3D alongside every multiple monitor user enjoying their 2D.

 

I'm sure everyone is glad you wish these things.

 

They had to make a decision based on a business standpoint and they made it.

 

Well, PMDG's spokesman has spoken. We should all clam up I suppose.

 

my point is continuing a crusade against PMDG & 3D users isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

 

Then why don't you stop? Not to mention nobody is "crusading" towards 3D users. It's the pompous 3D users who come on here saying "2D is out dated and stupid, why don't you guys just shut up" who get told where to go and how to get there. No 2D user is saying to not make a VC. So the confusion comes where the 3D users are so insulted that some of us still want 2D.

 

Those of us who want 2D will certainly state our opinons. Whether it happens or not, at least we asked. The 3D crowd telling the 2D crowd to shut up is uncalled for.

 

To the VC guys, remember, nobody is taking away the style of flying you do. So you're basically just being greedy/crybabies with your "It would be out sooner if they didn't bother with 2D panels". Think beyond yourself for a change.

Who said anyhing about descent? In general, the highest workload situation (for me) is during takeoff - when I have to quickly switch from Tower to Departure (I only use flightsim when online with VATSIM or IVAO) while also controlling the aircraft and also looking out for traffic. Having that radio/comms panel as a2D pop-up on the main 2D panel is much much quicker to deal with than trying to sweep from heads-up to looking down at the pedestal to switch frequencies in a 3D panel.

 

Additionally, how much do you need to pan? I find that the 8 points of a hat switch work just fine to see where I need to see.

as i said before plan ahead thats why you put the radio freq in the standby freq than just a matter of switching them. You must have a different set up in 2d since when i use my hat switch i dont see the overhead or the lower pedestal with the radio stack. So when you have the radio pop up view blocking your view than u have to move it some where or have your view blocked for the time you change the freq.

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Jeff, if you bothered to actually read my other posts in this thread, you'd see I support 2D users such as yourself.

All I pointed out was what PMDG has already said in other posts.

 

I don't know if you woke up on the wrong side today or what but, man....take a chill pill and stop with the sarcastic personal attacks.

Totally uncalled for.

Wow.. all of this over some 2-D Panels.

Jeff, if you bothered to actually read my other posts in this thread, you'd see I support 2D users such as yourself.

All I pointed out was what PMDG has already said in other posts.

 

I don't know if you woke up on the wrong side today or what but, man....take a chill pill and stop with the sarcastic personal attacks.

Totally uncalled for.

 

I don't think I "attacked" you at any point. I just quoted a bunch of things you said that I disagree with and replied to them. Not once did I call you any names or belittle you as a person. I'm sure you're a fine chap.

 

But since I hurt your feelings, I apologize.

Hey guys,

 

I'm now thoroughly confused. I've read through some of this discussion and for the upcoming 777, I thought Robert said no 2D panels at all except a 2D FMS?

 

Some people are seemingly implying that PMDG is not going to do a full 2D cockpit, they'd have stuff like the main panel but no throttle quadrant or overhead panel.

 

Can anyone show me where they state what?

Thanks for your opinion.

I'm sure everyone is glad you wish these things.

Well, PMDG's spokesman has spoken. We should all clam up I suppose.

It's the pompous 3D users who come on here saying "2D is out dated and stupid, why don't you guys just shut up" who get told where to go and how to get there.

 

Nope....not sarcastic or rude at all. Right?

Again, don't know why you're attacking people that support 2D, but hey if you want to act like a jerk be my guest.

 

Good luck getting enough support to get PMDG to change their mind.

Nope....not sarcastic or rude at all. Right?

 

Never said I wasn't being sarcastic. But sarcasm doesn't necessarily equate attacking.

 

You're making statements to the effect of 2D supporters shouldn't even bother asking for 2D because it's a "dead horse". Which is no worse than me saying you're trying to act like PMDG's spokesman. There is nothing wrong with asking. If the 2D people don't say anything then there is zero chance of PMDG changing their minds. I realize it's unlikely, but you never know unless you try, right?

 

Again, don't know why you're attacking people that support 2D

 

Again, I'm not attacking anyone and I am supporting 2D so even if I were, I certainly wasn't going after the 2D crowd. At the end of the day it is what it is and I hold no ill feelings towards anyone on this site or the developers for not making what I'd like to see. It's just a game. Or "simulation". Whatever you want to call it.

 

hey if you want to act like a jerk be my guest.

 

Thanks for your permission.

 

Good luck getting enough support to get PMDG to change their mind.

Here you are complaining that I'm being sarcastic then you write things like this. A little hypocritical, don't you think?

Here you are complaining that I'm being sarcastic then you write things like this. A little hypocritical, don't you think?

 

I was being sincere.

I was being sincere.

 

Haha, I bet. That's very kind of you then.

 

As for the fellow who asked about the overhead, it was in part 2 or 3 of Robert's presentation in Munich.

 

I could be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time.

If you dont like the decisions that pmdg is going to go with the t7 than you dont have to to purchase it, imo flying in 3d is more realistic than flying in 2d for the simple reason. Put your self in a real 737 if you want to change any freq you would have to look down and to the right or left depending on where your are sitting. Same with the overhead panel you would pan up to see and change any switches etc. In real planes you dont have click spots to bring up panels in front of you which blocks your view anyway.

 

Than some of you are saying that you cant look down and change things cause you cant see where your going etc since planes have auto pilot and are trimmed to flying level or in a controlled decsent or climbing you can pan down and do what ever you like in the same amount of time if you were in 2d clicking a pop up panel so cant see any difference at all.

 

If you plan ahead of the plane than you have got plenty of time to set up the freqs and any other adjustments you need to do if your in 3d view. Also it alot easier taxing around the airport in 3d, as well since you got more views to choose from than in 2d, since in 2d you have only a certain amount of views you can have where as in 2d you got a unlimited amount of views you can have. Same thing with landing as well you can set your approach much easier as well.

If you dont like the decisions that pmdg is going to go with the t7 than you dont have to to purchase it, imo flying in 3d is more realistic than flying in 2d for the simple reason. Put your self in a real 737 if you want to change any freq you would have to look down and to the right or left depending on where your are sitting. Same with the overhead panel you would pan up to see and change any switches etc. In real planes you dont have click spots to bring up panels in front of you which blocks your view anyway.

 

Exactly!

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Absolutely everything you wrote there is your opinion or personal preference.

 

I said it before, I'll say it again. Technically to be most realistc you'd purchase modules and hook everything up like a real plane. Or at the very least have a monitor down by your side with a radio panel. "panning down" is not the same as looking down.

 

Same goes for up at the overhead. In my opinion a 2D panel on a monitor hanging from your ceiling is more realistic than "panning up".