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Some of these Alaska/Hawaiian airports need a wind sock...

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I know this has been mentioned before but this is even more of an issue with Alaska and the new mixed weather theme. The remote fields need not apply I'm only talking about moderately paved fields. Here we have a weather them that changes on the fly with no marker as to where the wind is blowing on the ground. I don't care to use the unrealistic HUD when a perfectly good sock at many of these fields would to the trick...

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Another update I hope Microsoft implements... With this add-on alone they can just stop for awhile and release nothing else but deluxe bush planes. On top of that an FSCargo (by FSAddon if Microsoft is checking) style mission builder, real weather, and some form of ATC would hold us over until next spring. Alaska Bush flying is in a world by itself and FSCargo in Alaska turned FS9 into another sim altogether with no need to venture into the lower 48 unless I was doing an Alaska Airlines flight from Seattle through the Fjorg's area up to PANC (real world route by the way, well at least partially)...

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How hard would it be to put that in? ( I don't know anything about programming) and does every airport have one? ( I am not a pilot sorry if it is a dumb question. When I fly I'm to scared to look out the window to notice anything but my imminent death.)

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There are a few here and there. I don't think they do anything. They only animation I can think of in flight is the planes and some environmental effects. (And one kayaker)

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Windsocks would be nice but what is really needed is some sort of ATIS or something that tells you the wind conditions at the airport you're flying into even if there is no tower.

 

I just barely got done flying my first time in Alaska...it was a blast. I did a passenger job from Kodiak to some smaller airport with only a grass strip using the mixed weather theme. It was raining the whole trip but when I got to the destination airport there were 68 kt crosswinds! After being thrown around a bit (and making my passengers sick) I had to restart from the checkpoint because then I knew how to tackle these conditions after figuring out the magnitude and direction of the wind through trial and error. The HUD wind indicator didn't help much (I fly with it off 99% of the time) since the wind was blowing a different direction a few nm from the airport.

 

Landing at that airport reminded me of the Maule landing challenge atop Mauna Kea with similar wind conditions. I floated in almost to the parking area and thought I set it down rather softly but the whiney passengers apparently didn't agree. If that was a real life landing and I was a passenger I would be happy and amazed that a plane could land like that, who cares if it was a little rough.

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Hi Folks

 

Some of these Alaska/Hawaiian airports need a wind sock...

If it has a sock(s) IRL,

as reported by data suppliers,

then it has one, (or more), in game.

 

Or are you asking to add fictional windsocks ?

 

Windsock models all work in game.

 

Sit at any airport and change the weather,

watch the windsock animate accordingly.

 

 

 

PS

FSXME aka mission builder is by Jim Keir.

FSAddon are only the "publisher".

 

 

 

HTH

ATB

Paul

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for now I overfly the airport perpendicularly close to the ground and try to gauge wind direction realetive to the planes driftover the run way to the right or left

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for now I overfly the airport perpendicularly close to the ground and try to gauge wind direction realetive to the planes driftover the run way to the right or left

 

Oh, you mean like you would in real life if there's no windsock? :Thinking:

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Uh ... Yeah...... whats with all the sarcasm on this forum..? I like flight .im%20Not%20Worthy.gif

 

No, no, that wasn't sarcasm. Sorry if I gave that impression!

 

I was actually trying to support your statement. It makes sense!

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Hi Folks

 

 

If it has a sock(s) IRL,

as reported by data suppliers,

then it has one, (or more), in game.

 

Or are you asking to add fictional windsocks ?

 

Windsock models all work in game.

 

Sit at any airport and change the weather,

watch the windsock animate accordingly.

 

 

 

PS

FSXME aka mission builder is by Jim Keir.

FSAddon are only the "publisher".

 

 

 

HTH

ATB

Paul

 

I know some airports have them but when I don't see one or two at airports like PAKT there's a problem. There's allot of airports in the sim that you know should have them and in Flight they don't.

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I agree that they all need windsocks considering that we cant use the water to determine the direction of the wind. Its funny that they have left some out when over in Canada... about sixty miles into BC, at Dease Lake there is a windsock, buildings and an avgas tank. The paved runway has reverted back to grass and gravel.

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Hi Folks

 

I know some airports have them

but when I don't see one or two at airports like PAKT there's a problem.

Yep, agreed.

 

You are that problem. :LMAO:

 

 

Probably due to the size of the runway,

its location is not obvious,

but look at end of RWY 11,

on the RH side just beyond the mast.

 

 

 

Joking aside.

 

FLIGHT's PAKT is based on the old version

before the runway was modified and extended.

 

The windsock in FLIGHT is correctly positioned for that period,

but it should have been highlighted by a circle marker, as per IRL.

 

 

 

Post extension, (date unknown),

there appears to be a windsock at both ends.

 

From a piccie,

at some time there might have been one on top of the control tower,

(though not present in FLIGHT).

 

 

Compare Bing Maps with Google Maps

to respectively view the old & newly-extended runway versions.

 

 

 

HTH

ATB

Paul

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Fare enough I'll have to go back and look.

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O.K. I went back and looked and it seems I was wrong about PAKT. Just the same there's many airports that not only need more detail but don't have socks that should have them. PAKT needs to place the socks in the real world location and marked as you mentioned above. So MS is not off the hook with this request...

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Hi Folks

 

don't have socks that should have them.

Name them.

 

 

 

PAKT needs to place the socks in the real world location and marked as you mentioned above.

So MS is not off the hook with this request...

Rubbish.

 

The windsock is positioned correctly,

as per the airport version snapshot date.

 

Agree though,

the marker circle would be nice.

 

 

 

ATB

Paul

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The Flight team builds the world in accordance with the data that was correct when they collected it. Based on airport and navaid changes over time, it appears they are using data from somewhere between 2002 and 2006, meaning the most likely saved some money by recycling the same data used for FSX.

 

I expect if you hopped in a time machine and checked those airports, the sock locations in Flight would match up with correct locations from that time.

 

It is unreasonable to expect the devs to update Flight every time something changes in the real world. Even the FAA has trouble keeping up with it all.

 

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It is unreasonable to expect the devs to update Flight every time something changes in the real world. Even the FAA has trouble keeping up with it all.

 

It's unreasonable to expect the FS devs to update a 2012 release with at least 2010 data. Interesting... :Thinking:

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Hi Folks

 

It's unreasonable to expect the FS devs to update a 2012 release with at least 2010 data. Interesting... :Thinking:

Dillon -

I'm not getting at you at all,

its just you're fairly vocal on some of these matters.

 

There's far more important features to be addressed,

than your trivial issues of the latest windsocks

or cabins at some fantasy community base.

 

 

 

You don't NEED ATC, ATIS, ASOS, or whatever,

and if you choose not to use the HUD,

then learn to read the wind

by observing ground objects along your aircraft's heading,

e.g. aircraft crabbing.

 

Hint -

Fly all the game's Landing Challenges,

and when you've gilded them,

you'll wonder why you'd ever been requesting windsocks.

 

 

 

How about you start pushing for something useful,

like -

- missing islands

- missing airstrips

- blended airstrips

- corrected landclass

- missing towns & communities

- and as your nation depends on it, the entirely missing north slope oil industry.

 

 

 

HTH

ATB

Paul

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It's unreasonable to expect the FS devs to update a 2012 release with at least 2010 data. Interesting... :Thinking:

 

If they have a full set of data sitting there, already organised, ready to use, it would be a sound business decision to simply use it. They only have so much money and manpower to work with, so what would you choose to give up in exchange for current data?

 

Yes, it would be nice to have current data, but it doesn't make much difference at all in the grand scheme of things. I just mark any "corrections" on my newer charts, just like I ink-in things that are not already on the charts... things like small private airstrips that the owners do not want charted, but Flight sends me to on Jobs.

 

Things like real-world current wind sock locations are probably pretty close to the bottom of their prioritizations.

 

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Basys,

 

What do pilots generally use when they are sitting on the ground and preparing to taxi and takeoff? I may be able to use the trees, but it is so much easier to look at flags or the windsocks to get actual wind information.

 

Yes, when I'm in the air it is very easy to judge the wind direction based on my ground track.

 

Today at my airport, the winds aloft were blowing nearly 90 degrees off from what the windsocks on the runway were showing. The windsocks are critical in determining a safe takeoff runway in 35C temps we were facing today.

 

I also greatly dislike using the HUD, but the windsocks are 100% useless in Flight. They are virtually impossible to see from a short distance away.

 

This isn't a huge priority on my list, but I wouldn't beat up Dillon for mentioning it. For the record, it's already captured in the big suggestions list.

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What do pilots generally use when they are sitting on the ground and preparing to taxi and takeoff?

 

I usually wetted a finger and held it up! ;)

 

It worked well right after my fuel tank checks, as I would open the filler caps and stick my calibrated finger down inside to make sure it got wet to at least the second joint. :o

 

But seriously, windsocks are about the best source. This an area that merits improvement.

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Today I got a face full of 100LL as I tried to pour the sample back into the tank! :)

 

So I thought to myself, "This is what 8G16 feels like?"

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