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Any thoughts on best company for add on sound packages. I heard TSS is a great company but I would like input from others. Who should I look for and who should I look out for?

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Well, if you go to Simmarket and look up sound products, most of them have a preview video so you can actually check for yourself. Here' a direct link:

 

http://secure.simmar...ds-page-1.chtml

 

Personally, I rate TSS.

 

Al

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Yup, actually, if you go to that link and listen to he TSS Cub sounds, and then check out the other ones for the Cub, you get an idea of just how good TSS are in comparison to the others.

 

Al

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I have listened to the promo vids for some other soundpack companies and I was honestly appalled by the fact that they even wanted my money! :LMAO:

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I'm also partial to TSS but Sonic Solutions is also pretty good. I won't buy packs from anyone else.

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I use Sonic Sound Solutions, have good success with their products

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I have the TSS HD sound pack for the 767. It is fabulous, the sound cones work so well so if you are in front of the engines you get the whine and if you are in the back you get the roar. I am sold on TSS and BTW no freeware even comes close.

 

Bob

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The best I've bought was that TSS one for all the airliners in FSX. Means the default ones and of course the huge number of AI planes in e.g. UT2. Audio Environment.

 

Well, the addon sounds also come with a downside. Not only is it hard to tell the actual quality by some video (which may aim at sounding 'impressive' in the first place), you also may end up with some too loud cockpit sounds or things like the flaps in an airliner. This is very depended on the actual plane and set of course.

 

To give an example, I recall some pretty decent TSS sounds on my Simcheck A300 suffering from that 'you are sitting right next to that engine' problem. The externals are great, don't read that the wrong way. The whole sound environment is superb, it's just too much engine in the cockpit. This may happen too when you buy some stuff for a 737 or 767.

 

On another occasion and more based on GA planes, you can get very nice default sounds on e.g. the Carenado JetProp while some addon packs increase the actual sound quality but establish that prop rpm bug. A bug the default plane doesn't suffer from.

 

Another example actually praises that open structure of FSX since you can alter the character of a plane in some ways, and easily. You can buy sound sets which give you that muffled engine sound impression those noise cancelling headsets establish. This is especially useful (depending on your preferences) in small GA planes where the engine is close to you.

For instance, the default Carenado Bonanza may be loud (still nice sounds though) and the aftermarket set then enables that noise cancelling impression. Nothing to impress people within the first seconds, it's more that it grows on you.

 

So I'd say that it really depends on which plane you want to retrofit with a new set. In general, the sound quality increases, but the mentioned downsides might come to life. It may be wise to buy with some money back guarantee in place, regardless of the actual dev and with your preferences in mind.

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I will look into that. I own the PMDG 747-4, 747-8, 737 NGX 600-900, LVD 767, CS 707,Wilco ERJ 134-145, Carenado F33, FLT1 Super 80 pro and Airbus X. I have heard that the PMDG aircraft actually have the best sound package already rather than buy the soundpack from simmarket. Thoughts?

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I have had sound issues (RPM bug and phasing) but I haven't noticed them with any of the FSX specific packs from TSS. If I try to use one from FS9, it is a mess. I think this issue is either system specific or I'm just really sensitive to the issue because I have found few people that have problems with FS9 sound packs in FSX. On my first FSX set up (SP1 rather than Acceleration on a old system), i didn't have issues with FS9 sound packs in FSX.

 

To me, the FSX packs from TSS are very reliable and that's why I'm a TSS fan. Whether the TSS pack is better than the ones that come with the package, it depends on the aircraft. I know a lot of people loved the sounds that came with the QW757 but they never worked well on my system. I tried to address the issue with QW but it was like trying to explain the color blue to a blind person. In the end, the TSS 757 packs were a perfect match. With the recent Carenado stuff, I don't see any reason to replace the sound packs - they are great as they are. With CLS, however, their packs need to be replaced immediately.

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Some payware aircraft do actually use TSS sound packs already. The SimCheck A300 is one of those, although I think it does actually use a chopped down version of the full set, since I did buy the TSS sound set for that engine, and it did make some changes beyond the default, principally, it changes the sounds from the cockpit a little, which I actually liked because from observations of the real A300, the sounds were not too quiet when the engine wound up for take off when on the flight deck. A few Captain Sim airliners use TSS sounds too.

 

I do have a TSS CFM56 sound set, but I bought that to use with the Ariane NG; I've not actually tried it on the PMDG NG, because I was fairly happy with the PMDG CFM sounds. Having said that, the best developers don't always make the most pleasing sounds, even if they might be the most accurate, a good example of that is the A2A P-51 Mustang, which does have very realistic sounds, but the (also excellent) WarbirdSim P-51 actually has more evocative sounds, even if they are less accurate in not being so closely keyed to the RPM of the simulated Merlin engine, which is a plus point of A2A's AccuSim efforts, unless you just want a really cool sounding aeroplane, in which case it is a minus point from a dramatic standpoint. Everyone who has ever witnessed a P-51 or a Spitfire or Hurricane fly past them knows what a cool sound the Merlin makes as the engine noise gets the doppler effect and the wavelength shift drops the engine note in that marvellous way, but of course the pilot never hears that from where he or she is sat!

 

So sometimes it comes down to what you might enjoy rather than what might be completely realistic. There's actually a really interesting interesting 'extras' film about that subject on the extended DVD version of the film Master and Commander, where they went to extraordinary lengths to make the cannons actually sound like real cannons depending on the viewpoint of the camera, evidently when you are located at the side of an old naval cannon, it really doesn't make much of a 'boom' noise at all when it fires, since the vast majority of the sound cone of the supersonic air from the explosion projects forwards. The funny thing about that is, for all that effort at realism, the cannons actually sound more 'fun' in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, where they just put cool noises in there when it needs them.

 

2001: A Space Odyssey is another movie which shoots itself up the arse with that concept too, where it realistically portrays there being no sound in space, which actually makes it a bit crap to watch in the sequences with Gary Lockwood doing space walks compared to something like Star Wars, where all the explosions and stuff are accompanied by cool audio SFX.

 

Al

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Haha, you have a point there on the 2001 movie, Alan. But I love the way they've coped with the realistic downside of having no sounds. Tons of classic music in between. Sounds and huge explosions plus fires in space, seems like we've already got used to that (from other films) while the real stuff would need some special circumstances to allow for that boom and shine.

 

I guess it's the same as with exploding cars. You bump into another one while trying to park, big explosion. :shok: Guess that makes us cautious while parking, huh?

 

I own the PMDG 747-4, 747-8, 737 NGX 600-900, LVD 767, CS 707,Wilco ERJ 134-145, Carenado F33, FLT1 Super 80 pro and Airbus X.

You are on the right track, some of those planes already come with an 'addon' sound set. Is there a special plane in your lineup you'd like to enhance? As Alan points out, some of them may already use stuff from addon sound devs like TSS or are already well done by the plane devs.

 

As said, it could be a good practise to buy where you can test the new investment. Just to avoid that the new sound impression isn't any better, but only different and perhaps not suiting your preferences.

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Yup, evidently all cars which crash in movies seem to have a BLU-27 napalm cannister on the back seat. :LMAO:

 

Al

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Sonic solutions soundset for the Dehavilland DHC-6, and the Beech 58 are done very well, makes those aircraft sound wonderful. As far as the Jet sound packs, have no experience with them, I dont particularly like flying the big jets.

Mr. Cap's endorsement of a head shake I disagree with, Sonics products are working well, for the type of flying I enjoy.

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The three I have in mind I'd like to try is the LVLD 767, Airbus X, and FLT1 Super 8o Pro. I guess 20 bucks isn't really alot of money if it doesn't work out but I would have to do some investigating on youtube to listen to live engine sounds to see whats realistic and what's not.

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Is the Airbus X that bad on the sounds? Well, those three planes you've mentioned should allow some variety of sound devs due to their common engine setup. So I'd say you will have more than one sound dev to choose from on any of them.

 

If you find some nice videos to compare, please feel free to post their links here. I'm interested too, just for the fun of it. This one sounds nice on the A320 CFM. http://www.turbineso...irbus-320-fsx-2 It also features some VC impression at takeoff and climb.

 

Another A320 CFM set. http://secure.simmar...-soundset.phtml

 

And there's one from Synchro-Soft, but no video. SYNCHRO-SOFT - CFM56-5B SOUNDSET Edited. I guess the Synchro-Soft is for FS2004. So it doesn't count.

 

So that makes three different payware sets on the A320 CFM case alone. Not to forget some freeware, which could also offer a nice setup. I guess your initial question was spot on. :smile: However, it's hard to decide on a general basis.

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I will take a look and see what I can find. I like the roar of the engines and it sounds more like a high whine. The soundpack I have for the t-45C Goshawk sounds awesome although it is a different engine in all, still sounds amazing. Just like a real Goshawk sounds. I worked with them in the Navy.

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And I think you are stressing that good sounds do a lot on an addon. On the example cases from the above post (A320 CFM), I'd go for the TSS set if you are really disappointed by the Airbus X. Although I recall the 'default' sounds on that one being pretty good.

 

Besides, am I the only one listening to music while flying? Nail%20Biting.gif

 

And a tip. When looking for some major improvement on especially GA planes, search for A2A'S Accu-Feel. That one is super cheap and rocks. Your Carenado plane will feel like new for example. Means the sounds of course plus a bit of physics like shaking at near stall speed.

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I think the Airbus X default sounds are pretty good. I have the TSS Airbus soundpacks but I still use the ones from Aerosoft.

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