July 1, 201213 yr <br /><br />Sorry to bore everybody to death,<br />I remembered reading about that and was going to mention it ... better to hear it from the one who did it.
July 1, 201213 yr In my early days of training back in 98 i wont ever forget how in my 3rd time up my instructor told my i needit to get off the computer i had my eyes stock in the intruments .now vatsim did help alot in tne comm part .now that time has pass i can tell all of you non rwp that the sim will help alot but dont ever think that if on your next flight the pilots are out your going to feel at home if you have to take the controls. Image removed as image is no longer available.
July 1, 201213 yr I am not now and have never been a real pilot. As a diabetic I will never be one either. I have flown every PC based GA flight sim that has ever been... I think. Could have been one or two minor ones that snuck past me. Also probably a couple of dozen military ones. I started with A2-FS1 by SubLogic in 1981. MS didn't buy the franchise until a couple of years later. . . . . . . . . . . . In an absolute emergency I think I would have a much better chance than somebody (like my wife) who has no clue about how to control an airplane or how the laws of physics work on an aircraft... At least my ego thinks I could. LOL Sorry to bore everybody to death, Tom Wunder Good story, Tom. Much better than when I got my PPL in the late 60s my new wife and I were flying someplace and she just had to tell the stewardess that if the Captain had an emergency that he could call me up front to help. The stewardess asked about my flying experiences, which amounted to about 45 hours total time SEL. She promptly patted me on the knee and said 'If we lose 3 of the 4 engines, I will be sure to tell the Captain we have a single engine pilot in the tourist cabin". Yep. cooked my goose. Ray When Pigs Fly . Ray Marshall .
July 1, 201213 yr Commercial Member Want to see a pilot frown at you in a heart beat? Say "Ya, im a simmer so im sure flying would be cake". When I was working on Flight, one of the guys was telling me when he was getting his PPL that he NEVER told the instructor that he works on flight sims since it would earn him instant disrespect from the instructors. On his first time on the stick and landing, he had a good touchdown and asked the instructor if he could go around and try again. Instructor lifted an eyebrow and said "Sure, but that was a good landing for your first time!" and he went around. On his 2nd landing, he just KISSED the runway so lightly and nailed an amazing landing. He pulled off the runway and shut it down and looked at the instructor who was sweating bullets. My friend said "Ow, im a simmer, so I have been practicing quite a lot." The instructor frowned and replied "Thank god it was THAT. I thought you were an investigator and half the story's I told you would of gotten my license pulled!" Great story, but it shows that some things do translate, but I personally would NEVER trust sims to simulate emergency situations like spin recovery, dead stick landings, and loss of power on takeoff. Those things should ALWAYS be practiced in the air as a PC can never fully simulate what a real aircraft will do, and how it FEELS. When I was doing flight testing on the KCFS Sport Star in real life, a stall is something you will NEVER EVER forget vs whats in a sim. There is just no way to convey what it feels like on a small screen. Kevin Miller 3D Artist and developer
July 1, 201213 yr Want to see a pilot frown at you in a heart beat? Say "Ya, im a simmer so im sure flying would be cake". When I was working on Flight, one of the guys was telling me when he was getting his PPL that he NEVER told the instructor that he works on flight sims since it would earn him instant disrespect from the instructors. On his first time on the stick and landing, he had a good touchdown and asked the instructor if he could go around and try again. Instructor lifted an eyebrow and said "Sure, but that was a good landing for your first time!" and he went around. On his 2nd landing, he just KISSED the runway so lightly and nailed an amazing landing. He pulled off the runway and shut it down and looked at the instructor who was sweating bullets. My friend said "Ow, im a simmer, so I have been practicing quite a lot." The instructor frowned and replied "Thank god it was THAT. I thought you were an investigator and half the story's I told you would of gotten my license pulled!" Great story, but it shows that some things do translate, but I personally would NEVER trust sims to simulate emergency situations like spin recovery, dead stick landings, and loss of power on takeoff. Those things should ALWAYS be practiced in the air as a PC can never fully simulate what a real aircraft will do, and how it FEELS. When I was doing flight testing on the KCFS Sport Star in real life, a stall is something you will NEVER EVER forget vs whats in a sim. There is just no way to convey what it feels like on a small screen. Well said. Thanks. Ray When Pigs Fly . Ray Marshall .
July 1, 201213 yr Sorry, too many real world pilots have said the same thing....quality sims do not teach you how to fly like real world experience will but they do help quite a bit. At least, that's what I've gathered reading these forums and talking to pilots conversationally in person. They do help in some ways, but they can hurt you in others... how badly depends on how quickly you can unlearn the things that a sim taught you wrong. Actually, to put it in perspective, I would say that a sim could be useful if considered part of a ground-school experience, to teach concepts, especially with some good guidance.
July 1, 201213 yr Good story, Tom. Much better than when I got my PPL in the late 60s my new wife and I were flying someplace and she just had to tell the stewardess that if the Captain had an emergency that he could call me up front to help. The stewardess asked about my flying experiences, which amounted to about 45 hours total time SEL. She promptly patted me on the knee and said 'If we lose 3 of the 4 engines, I will be sure to tell the Captain we have a single engine pilot in the tourist cabin". Yep. cooked my goose. Ray Good story, Tom. Much better than when I got my PPL in the late 60s my new wife and I were flying someplace and she just had to tell the stewardess that if the Captain had an emergency that he could call me up front to help. The stewardess asked about my flying experiences, which amounted to about 45 hours total time SEL. She promptly patted me on the knee and said 'If we lose 3 of the 4 engines, I will be sure to tell the Captain we have a single engine pilot in the tourist cabin". Yep. cooked my goose. Ray Now that's funny!!!!!
July 1, 201213 yr Simply put: MS Flight doesn't teach you how to fly an airplane. It teaches you how an airplane is flown. Know the difference and no one gets hurt.
July 1, 201213 yr Commercial Member Simply put: MS Flight doesn't teach you how to fly an airplane. It teaches you how an airplane is flown. Know the difference and no one gets hurt. Very well put!!! I think this sums it up the best. Kevin Miller 3D Artist and developer
July 1, 201213 yr Author Simply put: MS Flight doesn't teach you how to fly an airplane. It teaches you how an airplane is flown. Know the difference and no one gets hurt. PERFECT! Thx!!!! That's how I should have put it in the first place... P.S.: It's not the 1st time I read your compact, concise, sublime statements! Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
July 1, 201213 yr Over the years I've seen many flt simmers take the notion that the things they've learned in the simulation translate to skills developed. In reality they've merely become "skilled" at operating a game. What they've learned are procedures that certainly *can* be used to help develop actual skills during flt training in the real deal, but without an instructor during the simulator time, so many bad habits will also have been "learned" that they will only, just barely, be able fly a real airplane all the way into the crash. :) I have unashamedly stolen and twisted a quote by the legendary Bob Hoover, who actually said, "If you're faced with a forced landing, fly the thing as far into the crash as possible."
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July 1, 201213 yr PERFECT! Thx!!!! That's how I should have put it in the first place... P.S.: It's not the 1st time I read your compact, concise, sublime statements! Must be the 2nd as he only has two posts. :Hypnotized: duh. Ray When Pigs Fly . Ray Marshall .
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