That is pretty simple to fix.

 

My point is, it should not be possible in the first place. From what I see, XP is a never ending beta. Thats fine as long as your aware of that, but its not fine for new users who dont know. Thats why I think something like Flight has its place, as long as its managed well. MS didnt manage it well.

It is-you just select reverse in the joystick menu-as I had to in FSX and flight. I actually had trouble with the same thing (control reversal) in Flight.

It is-you just select reverse in the joystick menu-as I had to in FSX and flight. I actually had trouble with the same thing (control reversal) in Flight.

 

Sorry for jumping in, but the problem is not that much the control reversal but rather the fact that xplane erroneously reacts to it by replicating something as prop reverse mode...

 

This may well account for the effects we see when we retard throttle on prop aircraft in xplane and they start lowering the right wing... This would be acceptable on aicraft designed to fly properly in cruise, by using engine cant, rudder trim plate, etc..., but not on those that have nothing like this...

 

And BTW: it is the fact that you Geof describe xplane as realistic that still makes me look at each new beta in the hope that this and a few more quircks get solved ;-) I respect your opinion as much as Larry's and those of any among the forums who happen to have a PPL

It is-you just select reverse in the joystick menu-as I had to in FSX and flight. I actually had trouble with the same thing (control reversal) in Flight.

 

Sorry, but its NOT the same in Flight. In Flight, if the input is inverted, then 0 = 100. You just go taring down the runway if your throttle is set to 0. In XP, if its inverted, then 100 = -100, and your aircraft goes taring down the runway IN REVERSE.

I have no idea what you are talking about. All I know in flight for a while I had trouble getting the axis correct along with reversals which kept reverting to the opposite of what i needed. It really is no more difficult to figure out on xplane -that is if you actually want to try it to see what it offers and put it thru it's paces before dismissing it. Xplane just works a little differently and that takes a small learning curve. In the meantime all those great xwind landings are being missed. :)

Actually, a reverse-thrust option would have been nice at times in Flight. :lol:

 

But yeah, an axis-control setup mistake should not cause the airplane's engine to actually thrust in the opposite direction, no matter what. That indicates a deep and fundamental design flaw.

 

I would like to know how your efforts with AFS are coming along and how it goes in the future.

Tom, I remember you well from the Flight Unlimited days, I had all of them and injoyed them immensely. Looking Glass was way ahead of their time, I was sorry to see it come to a end. It did last way way longer then MS Flight , going through three reincarnations. I will try to print some screen shots this week sometime when I get back into aeroflyFS again.

 

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Actually, a reverse-thrust option would have been nice at times in Flight. :lol:

 

But yeah, an axis-control setup mistake should not cause the airplane's engine to actually thrust in the opposite direction, no matter what. That indicates a deep and fundamental design flaw.

 

At least someone understands what I was talking about.

 

Funny story though. I was helping a pilot fix his Seabee (in real life) and the wires that reads the engine RPM broke. He was able to solder on the wires, but didnt know what way they plug back into the sensor. He said "Well, only way to find out!" so we dragged the Seabee out of the hanger, and cranked it over quickly. He shut down the engine, hopped out and said "Well, now we know what happens when you wire the speedo sensor wrong. The TAC spins in the wrong direction!"

 

Sorta reminds me of what happens when you wire XP's controls wrong, but instead of just your TAC spinning in the wrong direction, its the ENGINE that spins in the wrong direction....

All I can say is not that tough to figure it out-I finally did with Flight too -I am sure you can for Xplane too.

So... it's a user problem, not a serious design flaw, that checking the wrong box on the XP control setup causes the aircraft's engine to be turned around facing backwards, so that using the throttle causes the plane to move backward rather than forward?

Flight set the bar really high for anyone that is in the PC Sim business.

 

Sorry, no, Flight didn't fail because it set the bar too high. It was the opposite.

 

I tried XP many many times. Every time I try, I wind up spending vastly more time lost in the menu system then flying. I think it took me two HOURS just to configure the stupid joystick.

 

This has a distinct odor of "It's different, so it sucks."

 

Yes, you do have to learn your way around X-Plane's in some cases unconventional interface, but it's a short learning curve -- seriously, two-hours to configure joystick? You're either wildly exaggerating or you deliberately made the process as difficult for yourself as possible -- anyway, once over the short learning curve then it's really no more difficult to operate than FSX.

 

So... it's a user problem, not a serious design flaw, that checking the wrong box on the XP control setup causes the aircraft's engine to be turned around facing backwards, so that using the throttle causes the plane to move backward rather than forward?

 

It's not something that will happen if the controls are configured properly, so I don't see the big deal. I suppose you can argue that it shouldn't happen at all under any circumstances, but that doesn't change the fact that it's an easily corrected input error.

Talking about interface did anyone find a learning curve for flight? I sure did. Along with it getting my joystick settings wrong, and me having trouble getting them right at first, choosing an aircraft , weather, and geographic area I found not easy. Like xplane there was a learning curve but I'd personally rank FSX best, xplane next, and flight last on intuitive-maybe because I am an older generation...

Why are we talking about XPlane in a thread about AeroflyFS in a thread in the Flight forum?

 

Those XPlane people are some bizarre folks. I just realized the explanation for some of the stranger posts that have been showing up. Is there something about XPlane that attracts a certain fringe element? I'm not bashing XPlane here, this is a serious question. I'm sure XPlane does many things quite well, just like every other flight sim.

 

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I am not an Xplane person but a use every sim person. However when someone comments they had trouble with their joystick in Xplane, implying it is flawed, when I had a similar problem with flight I feel for fairness sake it should be pointed out. I have pointed out many flaws in x plane too, and since Kevin raved so much about xwind landings in flight and I think Xplane does an even better job in that area I thought he would appreciate a heads up on that.

Geofa, i wasn't talking about you above. :) And I agree that the joystick problem was a bit silly and amusing, and didn't deserve the amount of emotion apparently put behind it.

 

There was a similar discussion about XPlane people in the beta forum, so this isn't a new problem nor one that others haven't experienced.

 

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