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Helicopters for FSX...Which is absolute best?

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Which helicopter for FSX has the best overall combination of flyability, realistic detail, best VC, superb sounds, etc.? I've flown many of them, but for some reason or other, I haven't found ONE that seems to be "addictive" to fly. No problem if it's payware.

 

I've always respected the opinions of simmers on this forum, and I'd like your valuable input on this.

 

Stan

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The Dodo Sim Bell 206 probably.

 

Nemeth Designs and Milviz have some really nice ones too. The Nemeth AW109 keeps catching my eye

 

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Lee

 

 

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The DoDo Sim B206 Ranger is the consensus most realistic simulator helicopter available right now. Check over at Hovercontrol for detailed information. I have it and have around 150 hours of sim time on it and have flown a real heli in the passed. The DoDosim is very well done.

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For eggbeaters, there's really only Dodo's 206 and then all the rest are in a TOTALLY different league. Some of the others, including the Milviz/ND stuff can look nice, but they don't fly like helicopters. The Aerosoft Huey is in second place, and it's a nice second-place. But the Dodo is as close as I think FSX will ever get, according to the RL heli guys. You can autorotate in it. It does a credible ring-vortex state. I fly the Huey sometimes, as it's a nice bird as well, but 90% of my heli flying is the Dodo for years now.

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dodo 206 absolutely in a league of its own although its age is starting to show.

 

Fight dynamics / Real life heli simulated etc.. Nothing even compares. as above.. Vortex ring state etc etc etc.. huge list that is not available in any other helicopter..

 

Want good looking eye catching set of flying heli textures... nemeth design , aerosoft huey as well as cera huey's 212 & 412.

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WOW.....it's a true consensus of opinion. I'm off to get the Dodo 206.

Thanks a lot. I'll use today, Labor day, to put some time into that heli. Appreciate it.

 

Stan

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Do people actually fly those wingless wonders? I deleted all my whirly birds..I know they hate that term..anyway my favorite is none of the above..

 

I think helicopters are a blast to fly every now and then. The ones with good flight models provide a nice challenge and provide hours of entertainment when trying to fly and land them into tight spots.

 

I like to fly them in the Orbx PNW area and land on some of the mountain top heliports/ranger stations. It can be a nice challenge that can take many hours of practice to do successfully.

 

The only thing with helis is that a good set of flight controls is a must to make them easier to fly.

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I love flying the dodo but the VC is a huge disappointment. Its so default FS2004. I wish someone would sort it out, or even better the Dodo people would start again with a Hughes 500. Now that is a sexy chopper. Generally though your looking outside 99% of the time so it doesnt really matter.

 

I couldnt fly it very well untill I discovered (actually read in the manual I think) to zoom right out. 30%. Then you get proper depth perception. (might not be necassary with wideview=true though)

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I love flying the dodo but the VC is a huge disappointment. Its so default FS2004.

 

That's the main reason I never bought it. That and I don't have realistic chopper hardware so what's the point of flying an ultra realistic helo without something that resembles helicopter controls?? (Maybe this is the reason I stick to GA fixed wing)

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Yeah but theres some things you need a chopper for. I have just got the PlayHorizon Scotland North scenery (covers where I live) and it is amazing. I have had some of my best sim moments ever in that dodo, trying to land on my favorite mountain tops or exploring tracks I intend to go mountain biking on in RL. Its definately worth it, you can almost forget the horrible cockpit.

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The Dodosim is for folks who are really into Helo's. Cause you need to reconfigure your yoke and throttles and what not for that sim. I understand that it has as various levels of difficulty where you can get by even if you are not a heavy helo flyer.

 

 

But if you want eye candy..then look at that Augusta by Nemeth design for casual helos flying which is not much more than the default then

 

http://www.nemethdesigns.com/payware/44-agustawestland-aw109-fsx.html

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Dodosim it is! and I use a Saitek X52 to fly it along with CH pedals. If you check the following thread on the EZdok forum, you'll find my post dated 30 December 2011 which contains my joystick configuration adapted to Dodosim which I need not change when flying other 'stick' aircraft. In addition to using only slight movements of the joystick and pedals, remember these two things when configuring joysticks to fly helicopters: Sensitivity set at maximum and no Null Zones.

 

http://www.simforums...W=configuration

 

JJ

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I can only echo the comments about the Dodosim 206. The only helicopter I have real flight hours in is the JetRanger. The only thing the sim is missing is the smell of fuel burning and the sensation of moving. Otherwise the systems are modeled well. CERA 212 and Nemeth CH-53E, and Aerosoft SH-60 Seahawk are my next favorites. I'm looking forward to the Cera UH-60 Blackhawk.

I enjoy systems andI try to stay away from the auto-starts and ctrl-e starts for my rotorary-wing simming and try to mimick the checklists as much as allowed in FSX.

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good flight dynamics can be had for any helicopter by using the HTR package from Fred Naar (available at hovercontrol). vortex ring state, ground effect, afcs, etc .all possible. so, a good model by cera. nemeth, or whatever can be upgraded to have 'realistic' behavior.

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MilViz/Nemeth Design Boeing CH-47D Chinook is awesome, superb VC, fun to fly. You need Acceleration to get it working.

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Do people actually fly those wingless wonders? I deleted all my whirly birds..I know they hate that term..anyway my favorite is none of the above..

 

I'm not sure how that was meant to add to the thread! Let's stay on the OP's topic, pretty-please?

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good flight dynamics can be had for any helicopter by using the HTR package from Fred Naar (available at hovercontrol). vortex ring state, ground effect, afcs, etc .all possible. so, a good model by cera. nemeth, or whatever can be upgraded to have 'realistic' behavior.

 

Thanks for the heads up for that info. I hadn't been over to that site for a while and didn't know that existed. Just downloaded and will give it a try on the default 206.

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That's the main reason I never bought it. That and I don't have realistic chopper hardware so what's the point of flying an ultra realistic helo without something that resembles helicopter controls?? (Maybe this is the reason I stick to GA fixed wing)

 

Ryan,

 

While it is true that a dedicated setup is useful to flying choppers, it doesn't need to be somehing expensive.

Here is what I did the first time I ventured into flying the dodosim...

I looked for a cheap (and I really mean cheap) joystick which I then dismantled by taking out the springmechanisme.

It doesn't take more than that if you have already rudderpedals (which I presume you have for flying ga-aircraft)

And if you're really into flying those birds, then you can start saving to buy a more elaborated set but until then, that crippled joystick will do.

I was lucky and I bought a shelved thrustmaster stick from a friend and it works just fine.

 

Luc Brusselmans

Belgium

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Ryan,

 

While it is true that a dedicated setup is useful to flying choppers, it doesn't need to be somehing expensive.

Here is what I did the first time I ventured into flying the dodosim...

I looked for a cheap (and I really mean cheap) joystick which I then dismantled by taking out the springmechanisme.

It doesn't take more than that if you have already rudderpedals (which I presume you have for flying ga-aircraft)

And if you're really into flying those birds, then you can start saving to buy a more elaborated set but until then, that crippled joystick will do.

I was lucky and I bought a shelved thrustmaster stick from a friend and it works just fine.

 

Luc Brusselmans

Belgium

 

You are absolutely right. this a i load of bull that you MUST have ultra realistic set of controls etc etc to enjoy the dodo. I fly it all the time with a normal cheap joystick without even set of rudder pedals. I just use the joystick twist grip.

 

in the end it is what you can afford. It has never ever been a requirement for flying the dodo AND still enjoying it..!

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Stan,

 

If you do get into helicopter flying and happen to be using EZdok, I've configured a special EZdok virtual cockpit camera for my Dodosim (which will work with similar helicopters) that simulates vibrations inside the cockpit. I'm not a pilot nor have I ever flown in a helicopter which begs the question "is the simulated vibration realistic?" Only real pilots could call that one! I'd be willing to share a copy of the camera file if you or other person would be interested. Here's a link to a video I made a while back to demonstrate the result.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Subb-7_u_s&feature=player_embedded

 

Regards,

 

JJ

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Stan,

 

If you do get into helicopter flying and happen to be using EZdok, I've configured a special EZdok virtual cockpit camera for my Dodosim (which will work with similar helicopters) that simulates vibrations inside the cockpit. I'm not a pilot nor have I ever flown in a helicopter which begs the question "is the simulated vibration realistic?" Only real pilots could call that one! I'd be willing to share a copy of the camera file if you or other person would be interested. Here's a link to a video I made a while back to demonstrate the result.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Subb-7_u_s&feature=player_embedded

 

Regards,

 

JJ

 

I looked at this and from what I have experienced while flying the TH-67 (Version of the 206) is I get the most vibration while on the ground, usually when opening the throttle (As the rotor is accelerating to normal limits). While flying I get some vibration, but not like you have depicted. It is more of a higher frequency vibration that I honestly dont notice anymore. You do get noticeable shudders when entering transverse flow (10-20kts) an entering ETL (16-24kts) and also when slowing down through these speeds. High bank maneuvers and slowing down with steep descents you will also notice more of a vibration. But during normal cruise? Nothing like what was shown. The bell engineers did a fairly decent job balancing the rotor system and vibrations like that would be cause for concern. But when I fly tomorrow (weather permitting) I will double check, I could just be used to it by now.

 

BTW: What is going on with your torque/TOT/Gas Producer gauge?

 

Nick

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While the HTR package is indeed an improvement on FDE for other heli models, it doesn't bring them to the level of realism of the Dodo, IMO. I do wish the Dodo had a VC like the CH-47, which is phenomenal, or even the Aerosoft Huey, but the FD excellence makes up for the difference. And I fly all helis with the same settings as my aircraft: no null zone and full sensitivity on stick, no null and 50% sensitivity on pedals.

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I looked at this and from what I have experienced while flying the TH-67 (Version of the 206) is I get the most vibration while on the ground, usually when opening the throttle (As the rotor is accelerating to normal limits). While flying I get some vibration, but not like you have depicted. It is more of a higher frequency vibration that I honestly dont notice anymore. You do get noticeable shudders when entering transverse flow (10-20kts) an entering ETL (16-24kts) and also when slowing down through these speeds. High bank maneuvers and slowing down with steep descents you will also notice more of a vibration. But during normal cruise? Nothing like what was shown. The bell engineers did a fairly decent job balancing the rotor system and vibrations like that would be cause for concern. But when I fly tomorrow (weather permitting) I will double check, I could just be used to it by now.

 

BTW: What is going on with your torque/TOT/Gas Producer gauge?

 

Nick

I still remember training in TH-57s. The vibration on the ground made it sort of goofy talking on your radios or on intercom with the instructor.

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While the HTR package is indeed an improvement on FDE for other heli models, it doesn't bring them to the level of realism of the Dodo, IMO.

 

While I generally agree with the above statement, I would say that HTR has the potential to bring any helicopter to 80%-90% of the realism level of the Dodo. It really depends more on the quality of the profile developed for any given helicopter than on HTR itself.

 

But, having the 80%-90% of the realism level of the Dodo is not merely an improvement, it's a huge improvement over the default helicopter FDE, which I would rank at about 20% of the Dodo realism. So in my opinion HTR is an absolute must have for anyone who, more than occasionally, flies helicopters in FSX.

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Could you suggest which profiles for which payware helis you think approach that 80-90% threshold? The ones I've tried haven't risen to that level, and I'd be very interested in trying the ones that do.

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