Hello everyone.

 

I know this has been already discussed before but i would like a piece of advice...

 

System specs:

 

CPU: i5-2500K @3.7 Turbo mode

Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M

RAM: Kingston 16 GB @ 1600 Mhz

Graphic Card: Nvidia 560 Ti 1GB

Cooling: Thermaltake BigWater 760 Plus

PSU: 750W

CASE: CoolerMaster Cosmos Pure

 

My question is the sequent...is there a way to play FSX with the Ai traffic set to 100%?

 

I currently tested at EGLL (Hearthrow Xtreme), NGX, traffic set to 50%, ASE (bad weather) and get on the ground 15-20 FPS. Now, as soon as i push the traffic to 100% the game is just unplayable. On ground 5-10 FPS and slideshow.

 

Also, to play FSX like some videos i have seen on the web and look so smooth and great, like a dream, do i have to get to 4.5Ghz and above or there is another trick to do?

 

P.s. I have an external fps limiter, i used bojotes tweaking tool and Nvidia ispector set.

 

Thanks again for your time reading this!

Cheers!

May I ask, why is it so important to set the AI slider at 100%? No rig will run efficiently with AI slider set at 100% and especially if it is default AI. If you want good, efficiently designed AI models, that are placed globally as they should be, with a far less impact than default AI, then you need to invest in a program such as My Traffic X or similar. They are designed differently than default AI, with fewer polygons and as such are a far less draw on CPU resources. I run MTX pro and have it set at 30%, and believe the developer suggested that 30% will produce the correct amount of AI for a given airport. Besides, having too much AI can cause havoc with departures and taxxing. Personally speaking, I like to see AI at airports but I don't want to wait behind a dozen aircraft before I can get into the air!

Exactly! I love seeing airports full of AI! I am using a freeware package of WOAI with 50% setting. The thing is...i used Fs2004 and had the AI maxed out. Airports full of traffic and stuff. I was so happy. After a couple of years, i decided to buy a powerfull system so that i would be able to do the same on FSX. Have the airports full of traffic and stuff. I am not saying that 15-20 FPS , especially on EGLL with the situation above describe is bad but the question is could it be better? Maybe with an OC at 4.5Ghz or some trick to do? I dont know, maybe i am fooling myself if i ever get FSX to run with above 50% traffic at 30+ FPS

Well, the only thing I can say is that FSX is a completely different animal than FS2004 and there is no way you will retain the same kind of frames/performance given the same flying scenerio.

May I ask, why is it so important to set the AI slider at 100%? No rig will run efficiently with AI slider set at 100% and especially if it is default AI. If you want good, efficiently designed AI models, that are placed globally as they should be, with a far less impact than default AI, then you need to invest in a program such as My Traffic X or similar. They are designed differently than default AI, with fewer polygons and as such are a far less draw on CPU resources. I run MTX pro and have it set at 30%, and believe the developer suggested that 30% will produce the correct amount of AI for a given airport. Besides, having too much AI can cause havoc with departures and taxxing. Personally speaking, I like to see AI at airports but I don't want to wait behind a dozen aircraft before I can get into the air!

 

I totally agree. Don't know how much traffic WOAI produces, have MyTraffic 2013 and at big airport I never need to go higher than 30% to get traffic I think look realistic. Could go higher and still get good performance, but as rocliffe said dont like to sit 1 hour waiting to get takeoff clearance. 100% I think is unrealistic atleast with Mytraffic2013.

 

But sure you could clock and get more frames but 100% traffic and with all the bells and whistles on and think youre gonna get 30+ is never gonna happen, you have to give and take somewhere with your settings.

FSX is a bit like life... it's all about balance :wink:

I beg to differ with the sentiments expressed here. I run FSX with 100% AI and I don't have significant problems. My AI environment is huge - over 300 aircraft models, 2200 individual airline flight plan bgl files, flying aircraft as complex as PMDGs B737, and many scenery packages. My FSX folder contains 284Gb of data.

 

There is a small caveat - I have a very powerful system: ASUS P6X58D Premium mobo; Intel i7-980 Extreme CPU (liq cooled); Corsair DDR3 12GB RAM; NVidia GTX480 graphics card (liq cooled); Samsung SyncMaster T260D monitors (3); MATROX TripleHead2Go screen extender - digital ed; Windows7 Pro 64-bit; Ultra X4 1000wat PSU; and numerous USB aircraft joysticks and switches. FSX Accel; fsuipc (payware); no overclock. FSX loaded on a 484GB SSD by itself. Three other 1Tb disc drives.

 

The key - plenty of RAM, liquid cooling, large SSD for FSX, and a 480GTX (or greater) graphics card. VERY IMPORTANT - don't watch frame rate data; if your system runs smoother it doesn't matter what the number is.

This was ment for you fbass forgot to quote

 

 

My Trafiic 2013 has:

 

"8200 airports covered, more than 140 aircraft models were newly designed for FSX with in a never before seen detail for AI-planes and with a minimal impact on the PC resources. Nearly all current airliners, most commuter aircraft and civil freighters are included. There are additional versions of many aircraft types featuring different engines. 1,600 aircraft liveries are included as well as more than 4,000 different types and associated flight plans. My Traffic generates more than 800,000 flight a day, worldwide."

 

What traffic package do you use ? If that package can create so much traffic and I can have my AI slider on 100% plus have decent scenery detail(Dense Autogen, high water settings, a little car traffic, maybe some boats) on i.e Heathrow X running REX in bad weather with PMDG Aircraft and 4x Sparse grid supersampling in Nvidia Inspector, I sure would like to get that package and pay alot of dollars for it. :huh:

 

If you have not overclocked that system, then it's not much more powerful than mine and I dont think my system is powerful at all. I dont think you even need 12 Gigs of ram because FSX never uses so much.(Atleast not my FSX install)

How Is other settings in FSX and what screen resolution do you run etc(I sure would like to see a screenshoot of your FSX settings and a screenshoot of how much traffic you get). I serously doubt that things run smooth with high autogen and scenery settings plus many other things on full settings with 100% Ai.

And whats the point with liquid cooling If you dont overclock? As long as temperatures are ok...

And I know frames isnt all but its a good indication, If i have 5-12 frames It stutters really bad, when frames are 30+ things smooth out..

The biggest issue wit hAi is load time, i have all my Ai on a ssd, keeps teh load time nice and fast, i dont mind the occassional glitch, as i prefer a more realistic enviroment, That 2500K will oveclock to 4.5 will help immensely.

The biggest issue wit hAi is load time, i have all my Ai on a ssd, keeps teh load time nice and fast, i dont mind the occassional glitch, as i prefer a more realistic enviroment, That 2500K will oveclock to 4.5 will help immensely

 

Also have AI on SSD, infact all my fsx is on SSD. Had a slow hardisk before i got SSD, I noticed no performance boost in FSX with SSD, the only thing i notice is that FSX loads faster when i start it up.

 

Yes It helps to clock but getting 30 plus on a busy airport(With detailed payware scenery and complex aircraft in bad weather) with 100% AI and high scenery settings running things uber smooth, that I would like to see.

 

I don't think even NASA have system capable of running FSX with all sliders to the max, for simmers It's just a wet dream that never will come true.

Lot's of different factors affect this - quality of the AI model being very important. the higher the detail, the more the hit on performance. As Rockliffe said - "It's about balance"

Lot's of different factors affect this - quality of the AI model being very important. the higher the detail, the more the hit on performance. As Rockliffe said - "It's about balance"

 

The reason I got on a rampage here is when someone comes and say hey no problem running 100% Ai It's all about Have loads of ram and liqoud cooling, and large SSD and saying how powerful system they got when Rockliffe already pointed quote: "No rig will run efficiently with AI slider set at 100% and especially if it is default AI"

And I would say something like "of course its possible but then you have to give and take i.e lowering autogen to compensate. No one can run all things to the max".

"It's all about balance" Rocliffe says. And yet that dude comes and beg to differ with a system less powerful than rockcliffes and about the same rig as I have.

Short summary

 

What if some new user see that and think this system will run FSX better tha anything: ASUS P6X58D Premium mobo; Intel i7-980 Extreme CPU (liq cooled); Corsair DDR3 12GB RAM; NVidia GTX480 graphics card (liq cooled), and even trows in 32 gig with RAM because He heard that the key is plenty of RAM, and hey don't even need to everclock.(What tha heck is the point with liquid cooling then)(Also dont think Six cores is gonna make a differnce in FSX)

 

Even the topic starter have a decent system and posted this because he struggled too run AI at max whitout getting into a slideshow :huh:

In my personal estimation, FSX Default AI traffic is a pain at even 50% capacity specially if landing at KMIA with only one active runway. You'll keep going around the airport until you crash due to fuel starvation...

Kaboki - I agree with you. My system is also a 980X only mine is clocked to 4.43 and I run very fast ram at 6-8-6 and also have a gtx480 and, i guarantee that setting AI to 100% will breing the system to it's knees. So i don't really take any stock in that poster's response. Also I tend to suspect someone who spends $1000 on an exreme CPU, sets it up with liquid cooling and runs it stock?

 

Different strokes I guess.

 

Vic

Fbass, Im sorry for being a little rough on you. I see you got big hardrives 3TB, my guess is you're running only photo scenery? Maybe that's why you can have traffic set that high because you don't need autogen which can drag performance down? How did you get 12cores, didn't know 980Extreme had that many?

 

Maybe I was in a little bad mood yesterday and my rage reflected a bit on you, I had many stupid opinions myself and posted many strange things and got flamed for It in the past(Have even been saved for my own god by the mods at the flight forum, thanks J Van E). My advice is just think some more before posting bold statements :lol:

 

cheers :drinks: