On MY computer? And yes, the resale value on a GTX 580 is still Outstanding! There is a reason for that! I find hardware recommendations are generally 90% based on an individuals perceived notions and personal opinions. They tend to FIND the data to back up it up also. I suppose I could run out and find data to the contrary. No my hobby is simming not hardware recommendations. When I need a new piece of hardware, I certainly don't use one source of information or person opinion to base my decisions and have and never will ask someone if this is right for me. In fact, this is the last place I look because of biased opinions. look at Kost's guide... stop.

On MY computer? And yes, the resale value on a GTX 580 is still Outstanding! There is a reason for that! I find hardware recommendations are generally 90% based on an individuals perceived notions and personal opinions. They tend to FIND the data to back up it up also. I suppose I could run out and find data to the contrary. No my hobby is simming not hardware recommendations. When I need a new piece of hardware, I certainly don't use one source of information or person opinion to base my decisions and have and never will ask someone if this is right for me. In fact, this is the last place I look because of biased opinions. look at Kost's guide... stop.

 

Stopping would be the best decision... Please stop before you nuke the thread. The personal attacks and accusations of dishonesty, fanboyism, etc are way off base. Even worse, insinuating this forum is not a good place for great, accurate information is further out in left field. I won't allow inflammatory comments like that.

 

Back on topic... It seems you're arguing what card is worth your money instead of what card will perform better within FSX. The truth is, a 580 is more expensive and less capable thanks to the 660's new architecture.

Ben matey, it's just a load of numbers! Honestly, I really do think that to have a realistic upgrade there would have to be a noticeable difference, rather than just so called benchmark figures. Years ago I was really 'into' hi fi, always chasing the perfect speakers, top of the range amplifier, latest cartridge etc. I would read all the magazines about the latest bit of kit and how they were supposed to be the best thing on the planet, and then a few months go by and they're not even discussed 'cos the next bit of new kit is on the market, being extolled as the best thing slice bread! I bet it's barely a year(?) since we had the GTX470, remember how that too was being branded as such a great card. So what has happened in the meantime? Surely cards have not increased with such performance that we don't even consider a such a meagre offering. My point is, that sure, there may well be some really small performance boost, but the way I see it, the same boost in performance may well be equivalent to dropping traffic or AI by 5%. OK, I'm only playing devil's advocate, so don't take my reply too seriously, but just my point :wink:

My view entirely!

 

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O.P ................I upgraded from an OEM GTS 240 to a GTX 550 ti only recently. I only did it because the fan bearing was knackered in the old card. The GTX 550ti runs just fine IMO. I have all sorts of add-on scenery, if you follow the specific graphics settings advised by the developers ( and save them to profiles if necessary) you will run most if not all scenery with the GTX 550ti without any problems. Are you sure you really want to go the expense of upgrading???

There is only one series of card for FSX today and its Nvedia 6xxx card... the rest of em are running in the 8th place.

 

 

I don;t understand the motive of people who keep defending the outdated 5xx cards. What? Just because you have em, doesn;t mean that new stuff that comes out later doesn't have value. I paid $800 retail for my 8800GTX Card which is not worth more than $40 bucks today after 3 years. We need to accept the atrophy of value of these electronics.

 

The fact that you can have 4 monitors hooked to the 6xx card alone trumps anything else.. (Which means more than the Triplehead2go (That costs $400) comes free with your video card..and that too with much higher resolution. and no. ATI cards are bad for DX9 (Fsx) so don't even think about it.

 

The only debate is among GTX 660Ti vs GTX 670 and GTX 680. Others are not even in contention. So stay out. And no. GTX 690 stay out of it too.,. you are no value either for FSX.

 

Yeah..I said it.. Sue me! To be honest I am tired of putting up with misinformation and trying to be polite about it. People are spending hard earned money on this stuff.. They deserve the truth.

 

Manny

 

Ben matey, it's just a load of numbers!

 

You said "I would love to read/see someone with some conclusive proof about the benefits of a 660ti over a 580..." I did my duty and substantiated my claims with credible evidence. :smile:

Load of numbers? Ha Ha Ha! Oh Lordi! I've heard it all.. The difference between Warren Buffet and me is just a load of numbers. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:.

 

Video cards and its numbers matters when you push the weakest link of the FSX system, that you have. IF you have multi monitors with large AA settings etc, it comes into play. But if you have only a 20" single monitor it may not make a difference. .

 

When you start pushing things to its limits, you do see the utility of these high end cards for the most part.

To be honest I am tired of putting up with misinformation and trying to be polite about it. People are spending hard earned money on this stuff.. They deserve the truth.

 

And that Manny, is EXACTLY the reason behind my post. Like you, we all want the truth and that is why we have to be careful not to be so adamant about our opinions, right? Once I read posts from everyone who has a 660ti card, extolling it's benefits and how it blows the 580 out of the water, then maybe I'll be in more of a position to listen. No, it's not because I have a 580, I purchased the 580 about 10 months ago, and if you remember, it was hailed as being the greatest thing since sliced bread, the best card on the planet! Well, here we are only months down the line and all of a sudden that is no longer the case. Sure, no problem, I can appreciate that hardware moves on and maybe the 6xx cards are an improvement on the 580, and I'm more than happy to accept Ben's observations... but my point is, that IMO I can't see that they are, a) such an improvement that no one would even consider any thing less and, 2) the improvement would justify the extra expense for the amount of gain in performance, bearing in mind, once again, that FSX is CPU bound :wink:

There is only one series of card for FSX today and its Nvedia 6xxx card

 

 

That's a blanket statement and it's certainly not the case. This is your opinion, others also have opinions.

 

People are spending hard earned money on this stuff.

 

....and some of these people can't afford the top end cards. They are entitled to be made aware that they don't need to splash out on the very latest cards to take part in this hobby.

 

If anybody wants my opinion it's this..................I have spent years in the past spending an absolute fortune on upgrading all sorts of technology and HiFi equipment. I can tell you now it's a mugs game. Technology actually doesn't improve that much with each new iteration, so it might be wise to stop looking at those numbers for a change and enjoy what you purchased only a few months ago.

That's a blanket statement and it's certainly not the case. This is your opinion, others also have opinions.

 

 

 

....and some of these people can't afford the top end cards. They are entitled to be made aware that they don't need to splash out on the very latest cards to take part in this hobby.

 

If anybody wants my opinion it's this..................I have spent years in the past spending an absolute fortune on upgrading all sorts of technology and HiFi equipment. I can tell you now it's a mugs game. Technology actually doesn't improve that much with each new iteration, so it might be wise to stop looking at those numbers for a change and enjoy what you purchased only a few months ago.

 

My point exactly :wink:

And that Manny, is EXACTLY the reason behind my post. Like you, we all want the truth and that is why we have to be careful not to be so adamant about our opinions, right? Once I read posts from everyone who has a 660ti card, extolling it's benefits and how it blows the 580 out of the water, then maybe I'll be in more of a position to listen. No, it's not because I have a 580, I purchased the 580 about 10 months ago, and if you remember, it was hailed as being the greatest thing since sliced bread, the best card on the planet! Well, here we are only months down the line and all of a sudden that is no longer the case. Sure, no problem, I can appreciate that hardware moves on and maybe the 6xx cards are an improvement on the 580, and I'm more than happy to accept Ben's observations... but my point is, that IMO I can't see that they are, a) such an improvement that no one would even consider any thing less and, 2) the improvement would justify the extra expense for the amount of gain in performance, bearing in mind, once again, that FSX is CPU bound :wink:

 

You guys are insinuating that I am trolling people on the forums to go buy 660Ti's left and right. I have ONLY reccomended 660Tis to people who WANT to upgrade.... If someone ALREADY has a GTX580 and they say they want more FPS in SGGS well, of COURSE I am going to show them these numbers and reccomend the GTX6XXX!!

You guys are insinuating that I am trolling people on the forums to go buy 660Ti's left and right. I have ONLY reccomended 660Tis to people who WANT to upgrade.... If someone ALREADY has a GTX580 and they say they want more FPS in SGGS well, of COURSE I am going to show them these numbers and reccomend the GTX6XXX!!

 

Hey Ben, you are a well respected member of this forum and I recognise that, and no, I am not insinuating anything and if that is the impression I am giving then I apologise. I think most will understand the sentiments of my post and it's content. I merely have an opinion about claims regarding, in particular, GPUs, because my experience in my own tests is that the difference between cards of the same make is very limited between models. BTW, yes, of course you are going to recommend the 660ti, as you have already shown, but equally you must be prepared for others also to offer an alternative opinion. :smile:

I purchased the 580 about 10 months ago, and if you remember, it was hailed as being the greatest thing since sliced bread, the best card on the planet! Well, here we are only months down the line and all of a sudden that is no longer the case. Sure, no problem, I can appreciate that hardware moves on and maybe the 6xx cards are an improvement on the 580, and I'm more than happy to accept Ben's observations... but my point is, that IMO I can't see that they are, a) such an improvement that no one would even consider any thing less and, 2) the improvement would justify the extra expense for the amount of gain in performance, bearing in mind, once again, that FSX is CPU bound :wink:

 

My point/post does not contradict what you said there. I do not mean that if you have a 5xx carf that you should bust the door to go get yourself a 6xx card.

 

But if you were going from say a 4 year old card like like the 8800gtx, its better to go for the latest series like the 6xx card.'

 

As for as the argument that, not everyone can afford it, that doesn't hold true, since there is a wide range within the 6xx series to fit most budget. The fact that a 660ti can perform close to a 580 is not trivial.

 

Yes..the higher series and the latest hw have consistently been an improvement over the years. I am sure the 7xx series would come out in the future and they would have better value. But that does't mean I am going to throw out my 670 and go got that one. But I were to buy a new card, I would look at the 7xx for the most part. And I may pick the lower end of the 7xx series to fit my budget for sure.

 

And yes, if you can get a 5xx card for a real cheap, then yeah, that is an option too.

 

That was my whole point. And also the 6xx is a card that comes free with an advanced "triplehead2go". (A $400 value within a $300 video card) That is an important detail that was not being mentioned.

 

 

Manny

But if you were going from say a 4 year old card like like the 8800gtx, its better to go for the latest series like the 6xx card.'

And yes, if you can get a 5xx card for a real cheap, then yeah, that is an option too.

 

I absolutely agree....