I've spent  1000s on FSX so I'm not abandoning FSX any time soon.  People love deleting stuff.  That could be a mistake IMO.

 

So what to gather from this statement? You don't have P3D, have no plans to get P3D, but wish to come in the P3D forum and declare your allegiance to FSX because of how much you've spent on add-ons? Does that about cover it?

 

Thanks for your post, but I wonder what compels people to do stuff like this?

 

So what to gather from this statement? You don't have P3D, have no plans to get P3D, but wish to come in the P3D forum and declare your allegiance to FSX because of how much you've spent on add-ons? Does that about cover it?

 

Thanks for your post, but I wonder what compels people to do stuff like this?

The original poster invited the FSX discussion when he said, in his original post, that he was " deleting FSX off my drive for good."  The deleting FSX off his hard drive part was not pertinent to his topic and incongruent  with his topic-starter.   I'm not sure why you are so defensive here.  It was the original topic start that introduced FSX here not me.    

OK, back to topic please. Business jets in P3D.

 

Todd

Until such time as Lockheed-Martin provides a method for developers to know what license is active in Prepar3D (such as academic vs professional)... the Eaglesoft Citation X v2 will not function in Prepar3D.

 

I have requested they do this, but thus far they've ignored the request.

what we need for P3d is a brand new HONDA jet ,it looks beautiful,so someone please give us a treat ,develop that Honda jet please

peter

Until such time as Lockheed-Martin provides a method for developers to know what license is active in Prepar3D (such as academic vs professional)... the Eaglesoft Citation X v2 will not function in Prepar3D.

 

I have requested they do this, but thus far they've ignored the request.

 

That sounds rather unfortunate. Perhaps I do not understand things completely but everything I know of EULA's in a commercial entity tells me one does not trump another. Regardless of the L.M. EULA, if your product is limited on how it is used, theirs does not overrule yours and vice versa. A prime example of this is Majestic Software. They are making a Professional and Training version of the Q400 which is not limited to P3D. It was made for and will install and work in FSX which states it's for entertainment purposes only. This could also technically create a licensing issue as well, only in the opposite direction, yet I don't see Microsoft jumping to its feet. Is it safe to say that the employment of any software that has been released for FSX in the past has always been under the honesty system as to how it has been used? How has this situation changed in anyway with the use of Prepar3D?

 

Just as the P3D platform as authorized for commercial use does not grant the user to use add-on software that is not authorized for commercial use in a commercial environment, commercially authorized add-ons do not grant the user to use a entertainment only FSX none commercial platform in a commercial environment. In the end, it's up to the end user if they wish to risk legal action jeopardizing their business by misuse of products. To me it is the two sides of the same coin, only some developers are choosing one side saying it's better and safer, even though it is not. I can not think of any legitimate business in the aviation world that would take such a risk in either direction, i.e. using an approved add-on on a unapproved platform, or using an unapproved add-on on a approved platform. As a former manager of a an aviation company, I understand this concept extremely well.

 

A simple additional line in your EULA of "to be used for personal educational non-for-profit use", should cover its legitimate use in any version of Prepar3D, no? I see variations of it in other developers EULA's that are making products for both FSX and Prepar3D. Since none commercial authorized add-ons for Prepar3D have been around for well over a year, please direct me to a single case of known abuse of such products in relation to commercial use. Odd's are, you have a greater challenge with piracy than you do of this licensing bogie man.

 

I can respect, even if I don't understand, why a developer would choose to not support the P3D platform, but I just feel they should choose a better hill to die on...

 

Not withstanding these other issues, the Eaglesoft Citation X is still one of the finest business jets I have had the pleasure to fly within a simulation. She will be missed in my Prepar3D Professional hanger.

I'm not going to get into a debate regarding EULAs etc... I have information regarding the topic you do not have... and that's all I need to make the decision.  I simply explained when the subject of the Citation X came up as to why it won't work in Prepar3D.  Neither detailed analysis nor explanation is required.

There are several reasons why The CX v2.0 won't run in Prepar3D, among which is that the version of SimConnect used in P3D is not the same as FSX SP2/Acceleration.

 

 

Until such time as Lockheed-Martin provides a method for developers to know what license is active in Prepar3D (such as academic vs professional)... the Eaglesoft Citation X v2 will not function in Prepar3D.

 

I have requested they do this, but thus far they've ignored the request.

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OK, not ignore my own advice about staying on topic..... There are some developers who are rather open about the fact that LM has come directly to them begging for more addons to be made for P3D, yet you have other developers who act like a lawsuit is about to happen if their aircraft is flown in P3D.  I don't by the lawsuit deal. On one side these developers say their products aren't commercial, thus cannot be used in P3D, yet on the other side they create "training editions"of their addons or they model aircraft systems 100%.  And then you have RedBird, an FAA licensed training device, that uses FSX as their platform, so obviously FSX has joined the commercial realm too. Sorry, but if you can get sued over P3D, you can get sued over FSX.  Neither is a licensed training platform that one can legally use to log flight time (unless it is RedBird affiliated).

 

OK, seriously, back to topic....

 

 

So as for payware for P3D, we have Xtreme Prototypes Lear 20 series, default Lear with panel mod options, and JustFlight Hawker. That's it for business jets. None of those really do anything for me, unfortunately.

 

I did buy the Flight 1 Mustang and installed it in my copy of FSX. Man, I love that jet.  I tried installing in P3D using the Estonia tool and by just placing a copy of the FSX.exe file in the P3D root folder, and it doesn't work using either method.  The new installer just doesn't allow it. There's no VC and the 2D panel gauges are black.  So, I just uninstalled it and kept it in FSX.  Man, if Flight 1 ever decides to allow it in P3D, I'll be in heaven because that is the ideal jet for my mission. The ESDG CJ1+ would be awesome, too.  I really hope the developers come around on these Citations and allow their use in P3D.

 

Todd

I think a great opportunity is being missed by the developers. Carenado has some of the nicest airplanes developed for P3D. I work on the road, went to start FSX and it tells me I need to reinstall it. To no avail I don't have my disks with me so I bought P3D V2.0, the migration tool, Orbx Global and Vector and away I went. After so many reloads of FSX and no on going support for our beloved platform I gave up. After getting it installed and working, I will not look back. Right now I am sitting on my hands waiting on the Phenom from Carenado. What i see happening here is change. It may be slow, but it had to happen. Software gets outdated and we either change or lose. Spend you money wisely and the developers will either follow or fall out of the game. I have boxes of software I can't use or are just so old they won't run. Hope you all have a safe and profitable year. My delete file is growing by the minute. Cpt out.

Shame about the Citation X. I would have paid extra for a P3d2 Version....But ok, theres the Phenom looming on the horizon. Carenado will get the money

 

Sorry, Marcel