Hi I have been thinking of purchasing the BBs airbus ,yesterday i visited there face book page where there was a comment from I believe BBS ,that version1 was a separate product and would have to be purchased new ,with credit given for the existing version ,has this been there stated procedure from day one or Is it something new ,I would hate to pay 45 euro now, only to find I have to pay another 45/60 euro to purchase the finished version1,who knows what they will charge for the final version ?I believed that the price of 45 euro was final price ,wrong again ! ,any info on final price ?peter

This is a really tough one. Right now the only two worth any money (and I've bought them both) are the BBS bus and the Aerosoft bus.

 

The aerosoft bus has had as many updates, if not more, as the BBS bus. Not a good sign from either company. The people, staff included, over on the Aerosoft forums are vile to deal with. Especially when you confront them about their multitude of bugs in the software. That alone makes me never to want to buy from them again. I stick with it because I want my money's worth.

 

The BBS bus, last time I updated and flew, was version .50. They are currently on .60 with .70 in the works. It's a decent looking airbus, but Aerosoft wins in the graphics/eye candy section.

 

The BBS bus operates more like the real thing and doesn't have as many bugs. It includes managed descent which the aerosoft bus lacks at this time. Aerosoft keeps adding eye candy and silly side menu features before they implement MAJOR features that they lack. BBS is all about the simulation. BUT it lacks in the graphics and ground feature area.

 

If you want a functional bus that will descend at the proper time and cross proper restrictions, go for BBS. If eye candy is what you want with an almost 75% feature implementation, go for Aerosoft.

 

I did hear that we would have to pay again once the BBS bus was at version 1, but I'm not so sure that is happening any more. Check THEIR forums. I won't be shelling out any more money for an Airbus until FSLabs is complete.

 

I'm actually disgusted at both of the companies for releasing an unfinished product to us as if we are their beta testers. It's not their fault, we knew the products were incomplete when we paid, and it's our own fault, but still. I'm bitter haha.

The Aerosoft developer works hard, thus professionally to improve the Airbus X Extended, it is a good sign. There have been more than 10 hotfixes and 4 full installer updates. The bugs are being reviewed everyday. It is not complete but there has been no complete airbus, imo the Aerosoft AXE is the closest.

There have been more than 10 hotfixes for checklists and menus and other minor functionalities like it has been said many many times before. The important fixes are still to come and i wonder how good they will be. I cannot fly from Portugal to the Azores islands without the plane drifting out to the north totally at random as it has issues flying over the ocean somehow. This is one of the less important things but still important, reported many times and overlooked so that the Airbus works properly with AES and checklists too...

 

When descending on a glideslope over rough terrain it's not uncommon to hear the airbus say "300 - 400 - 400 - 300 - 400 - 300". This doesn't happen on the real airbus, not like this, and once again reported and flagged as of minor importance. Minor importance, really?

 

The BBS bus flies better overall than Aerosoft's version as it is now. My guess is that this is bound to change once Aerosoft gets their act together and releases the VNAV implementation plus all the required LNAV fixes/ND flightpath drawing fixes, but until then and even if BBS lacks on the graphics department (even if their ND and PFD reproduce the real ones more accurately than Aerosoft's), that's the Airbus i trust to fly my legs right now.

Interesting Namco as I havent encountered the issue. Have you updated to 1.4? Have you applied the hotfix? yes there are a lot of things need to be done, I think the throttle issue should put everything in second.

 

I don't know have the BBS. But I have owned almost all FS9 buses (yes including airsimmer) and this one imo is top notch.

I didn't know that BBS will charge for the complete product... if they do it just seems wrong. We're not beta testers. We're costumers. They are releasing beta versions so they know we are paying for an unfinished product.

Still, even with some problems with the navigation display, which they are aware of, it's better than the Airbus x extended.

 

Aerosoft released a very graphic detailed aircraft and that's it.

Some nice features and eye candy but the main thing is missing there. It just can't perform well. It doesn't descend correctly, it can't be used to fly with oceanic coordinates, it doesn't show the pilot any information regarding the climb and descend (blue hockey sticks)....

They release 20 hotfixes for the checklist and can't solve the big problems... It just a big disappointment! And we can't say it there because they will delete any complaint!

 

Although, I like a lot when the forum admin stamps the topic where they gathered all the good comments about AXE! I wonder how many of those satisfied costumers really know how the A320 is supposed to behave...

 

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Interesting Namco as I havent encountered the issue. Have you updated to 1.4? Have you applied the hotfix? yes there are a lot of things need to be done, I think the throttle issue should put everything in second.

 

I don't know have the BBS. But I have owned almost all FS9 buses (yes including airsimmer) and this one imo is top notch.

 

I have, obviously, updated to the latest version available. If you haven't found the issue, try flying from Portugal to the Azores islands, for example LPPT to LPHR. Passing KOMUT to 3820N (part of the route), will cause a turn to the north. And once again when passing 3820N after fixing the problem with a direct.

 

I have over 7000 hours online on a multitude of planes, i can tell when one of them doesn't fly properly.

I wonder how many of those satisfied costumers really know how the A320 is supposed to behave..

Do you? Or have you ever been in a cockpit and somehow had it fly? Why should one really know how an airbus flies in order to be satisfied? Perhaps You forgot that this is fmicrosoft flight simulation. Depth realism is one huge thing but it is not everything that makes one buys an add on. And having known the real bus like a real aviation practitioner is not a factor. How do you find yourself are satisfied with MSFS FSX, do you know how it really works? If you do, then Word Not Allowed, *******, Mathijs and Nick should learn from you..)

 

They are working on the fixes and updates. I choose to support the relatively new product made by an experienced dev

Do you? Or have you ever been in a cockpit and somehow had it fly? Why should one really know how an airbus flies in order to be satisfied? Perhaps You forgot that this is fmicrosoft flight simulation. Depth realism is one huge thing but it is not everything that makes one buys an add on. And having known the real bus like a real aviation practitioner is not a factor. How do you find yourself are satisfied with MSFS FSX, do you know how it really works? If you do, then Word Not Allowed, *******, Mathijs and Nick should learn from you..)

 

They are working on the fixes and updates. I choose to support the relatively new product made by an experienced dev

 

Hits the Nail on the head.

If you want system depth realism, take a look at BBS

If you want visual model, with some nice eye candy 'realism' look at the AXE

I for one find the BBS to incomplete, and the AXE to bogus.. So I'm patiently waiting for FSL

 

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I wonder how many of those satisfied costumers really know how the A320 is supposed to behave..

Im pretty sure he means system wise..

I bet we can find quite a few simmers who have an good idea from reading / debating how as an example: Alpha Floor is supposed to behave or the other basics of the Airbus' FBW system

I own both but after seeing the pictures and comments from Fslabs... I would save my money now and wait for the Fslabs one which will exceed any of the currently available Airbus for FSX...

Quraisy!, you to stand by Aerosoft and I have no problem with that. It's your choice and it's ok. But you can't say that AXE is a top notch model, even for Microsoft Flight Simulator X. It's not!

The model doesn't work well, there are basic functions that doesn't work / are not even implemented and then you read sentences from the developers that, at least for me, make me loose all the hope for a good simulation model.

 

"...but bare in mind that this VNAV is meant to be basic, and at the same time, not so basic..."

 

For me this is like saying, we can't do better and it'll probably won't work as it's supposed!

Altough, they do have awesome check list functions! /irony mode off

 

As for the BBS, I will hold my comments until V1.0 is out, because judging a beta version is really not fair!

 

Even so, I'll save my money for the FSL Airbus fleet because, for sure, it'll be at a PMDG's level.

But you can't say that AXE is a top notch model, even for Microsoft Flight Simulator X.

Why can't he (or anyone else)? First of all everyone is entitled to have his opinion, and secondly, the model(i.e. the visual model) is IMHO really one of the best for an airliner. I don't want to discuss the fact, that the systems aren't accurately simulated, because that is not what it was intended to do (though there are some serious problems that have to be fixed for sure!).

I know that there are serious issues with the autopilot, and some of them really annoy me, too, but most of the issues others have reported and complained about, I haven't encountered yet, so I can say that I'm quite happy with this plane, and compared to all other Airbuses there currently are, it sure is the best(I don't count aircraft that are in beta stage or earlier), and they got the FBW right.

judging a beta version is really not fair!

I totally agree, but selling a beta version isn't fair either, and even less at that price.

 

And besides all that, the original question was something completely different. I don't know about BBS's plans, but I don't think that they would charge anyone who has bought the "beta version" (I think they call it Prologue) the full price again, because the price is already very high. Actually I can't pretend they would charge anything at all, but as I said: I don't know.

 

Best regards,

Flo

Quraisy!, you to stand by Aerosoft and I have no problem with that. It's your choice and it's ok. But you can't say that AXE is a top notch model, even for Microsoft Flight Simulator X. It's not!

The model doesn't work well, there are basic functions that doesn't work / are not even implemented and then you read sentences from the developers that, at least for me, make me loose all the hope for a good simulation model.

 

"...but bare in mind that this VNAV is meant to be basic, and at the same time, not so basic..."

 

For me this is like saying, we can't do better and it'll probably won't work as it's supposed!

Altough, they do have awesome check list functions! /irony mode off

 

As for the BBS, I will hold my comments until V1.0 is out, because judging a beta version is really not fair!

 

Even so, I'll save my money for the FSL Airbus fleet because, for sure, it'll be at a PMDG's level.

 

 

Of course You and I have equal rights to express our preferences and personal opinions . I have been in many forums and there will always be a similar discussion (sometimes rant) like this. I am not talking about PMDG or FSL. PMDG hasn't released any airbus add ons the last time I checked. For now FSL airbus isn't here yet, they do not exist. I think you have some good options, wait for the FSL and also wait for aerosoft to clean up the mess. Btw, have we met in aerosoft support forum? I am wondering if you ever posted questions there instead of here..

Why can't he (or anyone else)? First of all everyone is entitled to have his opinion, and secondly, the model(i.e. the visual model) is IMHO really one of the best for an airliner. I don't want to discuss the fact, that the systems aren't accurately simulated, because that is not what it was intended to do (though there are some serious problems that have to be fixed for sure!).

I know that there are serious issues with the autopilot, and some of them really annoy me, too, but most of the issues others have reported and complained about, I haven't encountered yet, so I can say that I'm quite happy with this plane, and compared to all other Airbuses there currently are, it sure is the best(I don't count aircraft that are in beta stage or earlier), and they got the FBW right.

 

I totally agree, but selling a beta version isn't fair either, and even less at that price.

 

And besides all that, the original question was something completely different. I don't know about BBS's plans, but I don't think that they would charge anyone who has bought the "beta version" (I think they call it Prologue) the full price again, because the price is already very high. Actually I can't pretend they would charge anything at all, but as I said: I don't know.

 

Best regards,

Flo

When I say model, I'm refering to the whole aircraft. I already said that visualy is a good one, but the it has too many flaws. You say you don't want to discuss the systems as it was not intended to do. Well, at least I guess that you want the AXE to take off, climb, cruise, descend and land properly right? IMHO it just TO and climbs +- correctly. While cruise, some times it gets lost (oceanic coordinates), descending is a laugh and landing is not so bad. altought it seems that there a few folks that are reporting that it still performes some odd turns to get the LOC. This last issue I don't know because it never happened to me. It might even be a user problem for not following the correct procedures.

I'm not asking nothing out of this world. But you're right... Visually it blows every other add-on!

 

About BBS, I don't totally disagree with selling a beta, but I'll be shocked if they want everyone to for the full version... That's outrageous if they do that!

 

cheers!

 

 

Of course You and I have equal rights to express our preferences and personal opinions . I have been in many forums and there will always be a similar discussion (sometimes rant) like this. I am not talking about PMDG or FSL. PMDG hasn't released any airbus add ons the last time I checked. For now FSL airbus isn't here yet, they do not exist. I think you have some good options, wait for the FSL and also wait for aerosoft to clean up the mess. Btw, have we met in aerosoft support forum? I am wondering if you ever posted questions there instead of here..

 

I posted in the Aerosoft forum the failures in the AXE regarding some of the major problems. They deleted it a couple times. I was never insultous, like you see here... I didn't insult no one and I guess that i wasn't impolite as welll, still they deleted it. I gave up going there and to be honest, I stopped flying with both AXE and BSS until they get their stuff together!

Now I'm only flying the LSH Maddog MD-80... great aircraft!

Aerosoft's Airbus Extended is one of the 3 most lovely a/c I have purchased for FSX... Yes one of the very best 3 a/c out there. But then again in order to enjoy these a/c this much I realized I had to have a clean mind, learn to fly the a/c, apply required updates, and GO TO THE DEVELOPERS FORUM AND ASK FOR HELP WHEN NEEDED (and follow their instructions), and finally keep practicing until I learned it well. And I will tell you this Airbus is a dream to fly when following the above steps... I love it every second, and recently it's the only a/c I fly 80% of the time besides the PMDG 737 (Boeing). :Party: :Party: