>Anyone else having this problem???? >If you only cared to read just a few inches above I reported and acknowledged the same problem. The "null" position of the trim should be corrected and knowing their track record I bet Flight1 will take care of it. But having said that I am not going to preach here (as you probably wished) that this flight model is OFF. No, it is not OFF, as a matter of fact it is a very good one. And I have 200 hours on the real thing.Michael J.WinXP-Home,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8, Radeon X800 Pro,WD 36GB Raptor,1 GB PC3200

Well first off Mr_____? I was not qouting YOU as that is not your qoute "the flight model is really off IMO I have no time in a 172 ". but the poster above you and do not remember calling you names. To you I replyed "one post eh, where you been?" If that is too much for you to conduct yourself without comming all apart with threats to leave here and personally calling me names then I don't know what to tell you but maybe you don't belong posting until you can handle a very different opinion than yours. I certainly will not lose any sleep over what anyone says on a public message board. And you are correct, I am [c()()l[/b]...Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro | Windows Xp Pro 64 |

I think that is a bit unfair but I mean you no disrespect and I hope that you stay. Flight1 has already indicated that they were considering distributing a configuration to address the trim issue, so they are not ignoring the issue. See the other thread started in the forum today.I really don't think the trim wheel being misaligned with the take off mark (in certain individual hardware setups such as yours and mine) is a big issue, especially since the flight characteristics are excellent once airborne. Yes, I almost stalled on my first takeoff but I just learned where I had to put the trim next time. Further, I do NOT have to adjust the trim all the way down. The fact that you do but I don't indicates that the difference might be attributable to individual hardware. My takeoffs are now very smooth with little control input. I have no problem obtaining climb speed and staying there immediately after take off. I've been around flight sims a long time and I recommend this package. If anyone out there is thinking about flying for real one day, chances are good that you'll end up in a 172 or close variant. I would collect every good 172 package out there and Flight1 has an excellent package.

Neil,Where did we ever imply this was your "ignorance".I am sure Jim and team will listen (in fact I know he is) to what the public wants. I think just as Michael J. states, the team will come through with what will make most happy.This is the entertainment market, and there are 100's, if not 1000's, of users that ultimately make input into products we release. It has just been over 24 hours since the release! So once things settle down, Jim and team can we can see where needs are, and they can be addressed if it is so required.Really, I have trust in Jim and the development staff, so I hope you will. It is not like we did not go through a lengthy beta test with multiple people (and some pilots). It becomes a slightly different game when everything is thrust upon the so varied systems out there. We are not going to simply say "a pilot tested it and said it was ok" and leave it at that. We are involved!Jim's direct response to you in our forum was...>>Hi Neil,Situations like this are so hard to pinpoint when all users have different hardware. settings, etc... But rest assured, we take in all comments and look for any patterns etc. and address if its needed.Regards,Jim Rhoads<

>>Anyone else having this problem???? >>>>If you only cared to read just a few inches above I reported>and acknowledged the same problem. The "null" position of the>trim should be corrected and knowing their track record I bet>Flight1 will take care of it. But having said that I am not>going to preach here (as you probably wished) that this flight>model is OFF. No, it is not OFF, as a matter of fact it is a>very good one. And I have 200 hours on the real thing.>>>Michael J.>WinXP-Home,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8, Radeon X800 Pro,WD 36GB>Raptor,1 GB PC3200 Thanks Michael. BTW, I did read your post. I guess I should undue my registration here and never post again. Not only are you folks not willing to welcome someone new on your forum, but the two responses I've gotten have been down right hostile in both tone and substance.Newsflash...I don't waste my time posting on forums if I'm not experiencing a problem. I am, and so I hoped I might find others here with the same issue who might be willing to offer some suggestions on solving it. I wasn't trying to insult anyone's product, #### on anyone's turf, or accuse anyone of anything. I hoped maybe to find a few reasonable people with a knowledge and a common experience. My mistake. I'll leave your turf now and return to the unwashed masses.

Flight1 has already indicated that they were considering distributing a configuration to address the trim issue, so they are not ignoring the issue. Misquote their opinion I believe. They never said there was anything wrong but only they were to give out an easier to trim config. In no way does this mean it is realistic.......Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro | Windows Xp Pro 64 |

I posted on Flight1's support forum, but it looks like you and I are the only people having this problem, since the response was to ask if I knew how to set the trim properly. The issue was all but ignored and seemingly chalked up to my "ignorance" or "user error", as best as I can tell from the response.The visual's are great in this aircraft, and I have been waiting for a Skyhawk for a while. I'm a little frustrated with getting a power on stall every time I take off, unless I set the trim almost fully nose down for takeoff. Oh well, what do I expect from a $50 simulator anyway? You seem to have an opinion you thought sharing with the thousands who read this forum and when folks do not agree with you you attack and call them names and then try to make us feel guilty by telling us that you are now leaving? Sorry do not know how to take that from an adult, no disrespect intended. Post your opinion and share, do not attack and insult and you will get the same back but please spare me with the martyr complex. [/b]Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro | Windows Xp Pro 64 |

I just identified a "trim issue", I did not mean to imply that is was an error. I don't know enough to reach that conclusion. Regards.

No i have not but, i saw a comercial for it on tv and i think im going to get it cause it looks too cool.Ed

Thanks Steve, fs3tofs9 pointed me in the direction for the file. Thankyou though,very nice product.Ed

If you set your trim within the takeoff limits on the trim indicator, that range or mark should ease your takeoff. It does not guarantee a perfect transition to a perfect climb. As these guys said, other influences may make each takeoff different every time. CG issues (fuel,passneger,cargo)liftoff speed and wind gusts will have an effect on climbout.The atmosphere is a constantly changing place. It gives us pilots something to do! :)Thanks to all for your input on the Flight1 package!Best Regards,JimPrivate PilotSkyhawk-Driver ;)

The alternate airfile is now available at:http://www.flight1software.com/172/files/1...irfile_rev1.exe

Try the alternate airfile, you may like it better; I did.http://www.flight1software.com/172/files/1...irfile_rev1.exe

There is usually no need to push the yoke forward after takeoff in the Cessna Skyhawk. As someone else mentioned, there is a mark on the trim wheel for ensuring that the trim is set for takeoff. When the trim is set to this position, the airplane is rotated at about 55 knots and flies off the runway by itself. I fly late model Cessna Skyhawks almost every weekend to stay proficient (earned my Instrument Rating back in April of this year).I'm looking forward to checking out this new offering from Flight One Software. It will need to be GREAT to unseat my current favorite - the RealAir 172. If you'd like to see videos of real world Skyhawk flying, come visit my web site - my wife and cousin have captured many of my takeoffs and landings.http://www.noticetoairmen.com/photos/showg...password=&page=My current favorite airplane is N810SA - a 2003 Cessna Skyhawk SP. She still has that "new airplane smell" and only has 300 hours on the Hobbs!! I rent her from San Antonio Intl Airport.

Justin, Flight1 has released an alternate flight model... so you've got two chances to unseat the RealAir model... On my system , the RealAir C172 is no longer king.. especially given the fantastic panels that come with the Flight1 release.