No 2d panel.

 

Thanks.

 

And a last one (which I asked earlier):

 

Does the FMC support kilograms as well?

I never use the FMS (not fmc). I would suggest that you buy it, try it and, if you don't like it, return it. (That's from our store only using the F1 wrapper)

Is the unrealistic friction fixed in SP2?

The realistic friction is not fixed. I feel that it's realistic to require that much thrust to initially move the aircraft. The 17's are not very powerful as compared to modern day aircraft where 25% thrust will move it.

Milviz, Throttles should not be required at all for taxying once the move from standstill has been comenced except on bends where a little more throttle is required.   A freind of mine has your aircraft and the aircraft actually comes to a halt on half throttles in a straight line!

 

I was very interested in purchasing your 732 until I saw this.

 

He uses a fully calibrated Saitek Pro Flight Yoke and Saitek Pro pedals.

What's your friends name please ? I've just tried that and it's totally not true.

I have now fully tested this "complaint".  At 53% throttle, the plane "unsticks" and starts moving.  If I keep the throttle at that amount for 10 to 12 seconds, that's enough to roll me about 200- 300 feet or more depending on the surface I'm on.  Gravel is not so good.

 

If I keep applying power at about 20%, I can keep on moving.

 

So, that's totally fine as far as the 3 (yes three) actual 737-200 pilots are concerned.

 

Your friend is incorrect.

You need 65 percent thrust just to unstick the aircraft from a stand still.  And you need at least 50 percent to keep it moving once you do get rolling.  Realistically you could bring the throttle back to idle and keep moving except around turns. 

 

 

What's your friends name please ? I've just tried that and it's totally not true.

I would love a video of you taxiing this aircraft down the tarmac with the engines at idle after you have got it rolling.

I didn't say that I can.  I said that to keep moving, I'm using 20% or thereabouts.

I can however, roll about 300 feet.

Besides, none of this is incorrect according to the pilots... so, who am I supposed to listen to?  The guys/girls who don't actually fly the plane and those who have?

However, if you wish it, I will supply a version of the FDE that has an unstick of whatever you wish.

 

So tell me what you want and I will make it happen.

Is the unrealistic friction fixed in SP2?

I did a small test (unscientific, but satisfied me) of three 'vintage' tubeliners I have on my system. I compared the amount of throttle (as a percentage of full throttle) necessary to get each of them rolling from a standing stop, ready-for-takeoff with about 2/3 load:

 

MilViz B732 - 53.3%

Coolsky DC-9 - 55.7%

CS 707 - 58.0%

 

Seems to me to be right in the ballpark (and actually the least amount of throttle of my collection of vintage birds). So - nothing to fix IMHO.

 

 

At 53% throttle, the plane "unsticks" and starts moving.

 

Hadn't read your post when I posted my data - remarkably consistent! :lol:

It's a known fact that in FSX the ground friction is unrealistic and he's using the FSUIPC fix that has been provided. Nobody is contesting how much throttle is required for moving off from standstill, just how much throttle is required for taxying and what I saw just didn't look right in my book.

 

Moving heavy weights is hard to get moving but should be easy to keep moving. That is common knowledge.  

Inertia is still there... and the plane is quite heavy... But like I said, if you want something different, just tell me what you think it should be and I will arrange for that so your friend (and you) can be happy.

Does the FMC support kilograms as well?

No, it does not. It doesn't in the real unit either, unless it was special ordered.

It's a known fact that in FSX the ground friction is unrealistic and he's using the FSUIPC fix that has been provided. Nobody is contesting how much throttle is required for moving off from standstill, just how much throttle is required for taxying and what I saw just didn't look right in my book.

 

Moving heavy weights is hard to get moving but should be easy to keep moving. That is common knowledge.  

 

My thoughts exactly.  I have not complaints that it takes that much thrust to unstick.  Just shouldn't need 50 percent thrust to keep rolling once you start.  The Coolsky DC-9 does take 50 percent or so thrust to get moving but then you need to bring it back to idle or you will be at 30kts in about 10 seconds.

 

Edit:

 

Just to clarify I am talking about percent of n1 when I say thrust.  I just ran a test with 20k lbs of payload and 20k lbs of fuel and it requires 65 percent n1 to unstick. It takes at least 50-55 percent of n1 to keep moving.  Idle thrust I believe is 20s-30s percent of n1.

You're not, sorry to say, telling me what you want me to do here. You seem to be making a complaint... But it's hard to tell.

 

I've now offered (twice) to supply you (and anyone else) a "revised" FDE... But you need to give me the "numbers" you want.

 

FYI, I just tried your numbers and it took me 32% to keep rolling. Which is, again, according to the pilots, correct.

 

Tell me what you want. Specifically. Note that any change might impinge on the reality of your flight dynamics.