August 12, 201312 yr Hi, Anyone who has upgraded from the old I7-920/960 with Haswell ? There should be some improvement about 10-20% with same CPU speed because of a more effective work performance but i have not heard about it in practice. Anyone who has done a bench? Thanks Michael Moe
August 12, 201312 yr Would like to know that also. Currently I have a 920 clocked at 4 Ghz combined with an ATI 5870 card. Upgrading to Haswell combined with a faster graphicscard (GTX780) would cost me 1000 to 1500 euros easily depending on component specifics. I'm in doubt if I would notice enough difference to justify the expense. To be honest, with my current setup I'm more battling OOMs rather than low FPS issues. Regards, Frank van der Werff
August 12, 201312 yr There's a benchmark thread where they tested all this stuff. A Haswell should push 20% better clock for clock vs the 900 series and overall terrain/autogen loading has been reported much faster, further out (to FSX's coded limits), and with no blurry issues. If you still have a 900 series it's time upgrade and the 4770k is what you want.
August 12, 201312 yr There's a benchmark thread where they tested all this stuff. A Haswell should push 20% better clock for clock vs the 900 series and overall terrain/autogen loading has been reported much faster, further out (to FSX's coded limits), and with no blurry issues. If you still have a 900 series it's time upgrade and the 4770k is what you want. Issue is I just build an Ivy-bridge system for a friend and although it is somewhat faster, it wasn't as earth-shocking as I expected / hoped. Performed the same tweaks and setup as on my own system. Overclocked the Ivy to 4,2GHz as I felt that was a safe limit (using H100i cooler). Regards, Frank van der Werff
August 12, 201312 yr Issue is I just build an Ivy-bridge system for a friend and although it is somewhat faster, it wasn't as earth-shocking as I expected / hoped. Performed the same tweaks and setup as on my own system. Overclocked the Ivy to 4,2GHz as I felt that was a safe limit (using H100i cooler). Well 10% isn't going to be shockingly faster, just faster, and Haswell supposedly takes it up another notch. The other things to look at are the non FPS related issues. Texture loading to be specific. My 2500k is much better then the 920 I had and its now two generations behind itself.
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August 12, 201312 yr I upgraded from an i7 920 at 4.4ghz on a x58 MB with 2 x GTX580's and 4 x 2 modules of Corsair dominator 1600mhz 9-9-9-28 to i7 4770k hopefully to 4.8ghz after mod on Sabbertooth Z87 with GTX 780 and 2 x 4gb of G-Skill 2400mhz 9-11-11-31. Overall its costing me About $3000 for everything. I only recycled the PSU because it is a good quality 1000watt Silverstone. That includes a HAF-X, Thermalright CPU cooler and 5 drives. 1x Samsung Pro 840 128 gb, 2x Samsung Pro 840 256gb and 2 x Seagate 2tb hdds, I can't tell you anything yet because I am just memtesting right now. So I have a long way to go before I am in the virtual Air. But I don't think it is any one individual part that is going to make the difference, It is the sum of the part that counts.
August 12, 201312 yr I upgraded from an i7 920 at 4.4ghz on a x58 MB with 2 x GTX580's and 4 x 2 modules of Corsair dominator 1600mhz 9-9-9-28 to i7 4770k hopefully to 4.8ghz after mod on Sabbertooth Z87 with GTX 780 and 2 x 4gb of G-Skill 2400mhz 9-11-11-31. Overall its costing me About $3000 for everything. I only recycled the PSU because it is a good quality 1000watt Silverstone. That includes a HAF-X, Thermalright CPU cooler and 5 drives. 1x Samsung Pro 840 128 gb, 2x Samsung Pro 840 256gb and 2 x Seagate 2tb hdds, I can't tell you anything yet because I am just memtesting right now. So I have a long way to go before I am in the virtual Air. But I don't think it is any one individual part that is going to make the difference, It is the sum of the part that counts. Very curious to hear your experiences and improvement! Regards, Frank van der Werff
August 12, 201312 yr I will happily report back when I get to that point. Might be a while. Don't have to much time to work on it. I am going to Follow NickN's guide the letter. I have the system built except for the SILVER-ARROW-SB-E-Extreme which should arrive on Thurday. I have the stock cooler installed right now for memtesting and as soon as that is finished I will start the Windows 7 install. My old system had a custom water loop but I am switching to air. I still expect to get the same results though because the system will be kept in my garage which is below Zero degrees in the Winter which is flight sim season for me. I fact it get way below zero most of the winter. So I am relying on ambient temp for my cooling rather than water or air. I don't think the water would add much in a sub-zero environment. I will us the system for other things but it is mainly for FSX and XPX. The 128gb SSD is for the OS The 256gb is for FSX the 2TB Segate is for FSX data addons the other 256GB SSD is for XPX And the other 2Tb HDD is for XPX data Addons if they exist LOL If not it is for other games The case also has 2 hotswap drives I will probably use those for gaming and work Sorry I don't want to hi-Jack your thread but if you like I post Photo's etc. here.
August 12, 201312 yr Wow, your upgrades are expensive.. Do you guys buy gold-plated CPUs and diamond-covered motherboards? I bought the 4770K CPU for €320, motherboard for €160, video card for €290 and RAM for €70 (I was using DDR2 before, most of you are on Socket 1155 and have DDR3 RAM already). -
August 12, 201312 yr Well, for me, Xmas time this past year, I went from 980x to 3770k, and also used a h80 Corsair water cooler. Also this past month updated my video card from a 580GTX to a 780gtx, and now fsx is nice and smooth either overclocked at 4.2ghz or if I want to stretch it to 4.4ghz. Performance wise my frames have not increased much, not really noticeable, but fsx finally runs smooth, and with all my addons, and using NI.
August 12, 201312 yr Though not really a 920, I recently upgrade from a 860 at 3.9Ghz (could run it at 4.0 but the voltage bump wasn't worth the tiny performance increase) to a 4770k at 4.5Ghz. In my case the FSX performance increase is very noticeable: with the settings I like to use, flying/landing at places like Berlin and NYC which were once a stutter fest are now smooth at a near solid 30fps. The most surprising payoff was simply being able to taxi at a smooth 30fps; I didn't realize how much immersion I was being robbed doing that with my 860. CPU: AMD 9800X3D PBO MB +200 CO -25| Motherboard: MSI MAG X870e Tomahawk WiFi | GPU: MSI RTX 5090 Ventus 3X OC | RAM: G.Skill 2x32GB DDR5 6000 cas 30 | M.2 SSDs: Samsung 990 EVO Plus 2T, WD Black SN750 M.2 1T | Hard Drive: WD Black HDD 6T 7200 | Optical Drive: LG Bluray writer, internal | Cooling: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO | Case: Fractal Design Focus G | PSU: NZXT C1200 1200W Win 11 Pro 64|HP Reverb G2 revised VR HMD|Asus 25" IPS 2K 60Hz monitor|Saitek X52 Pro & Peddles|TIR 5 (now retired)
August 12, 201312 yr I'm in doubt if I would notice enough difference to justify the expense. Oh yes it is. Going to a Haswell at 4.4GHZ + GTX780 would give you likely 50+% performance improvements.
August 13, 201312 yr Though not really a 920, I recently upgrade from a 860 at 3.9Ghz (could run it at 4.0 but the voltage bump wasn't worth the tiny performance increase) to a 4770k at 4.5Ghz. In my case the FSX performance increase is very noticeable: with the settings I like to use, flying/landing at places like Berlin and NYC which were once a stutter fest are now smooth at a near solid 30fps. The most surprising payoff was simply being able to taxi at a smooth 30fps; I didn't realize how much immersion I was being robbed doing that with my 860. Can you share your setting and addons used when maintaining those 30fps into the NYC area? Regards, Frank van der Werff
August 13, 201312 yr Wow, your upgrades are expensive.. Do you guys buy gold-plated CPUs and diamond-covered motherboards? I bought the 4770K CPU for €320, motherboard for €160, video card for €290 and RAM for €70 (I was using DDR2 before, most of you are on Socket 1155 and have DDR3 RAM already). Lolol, took one week pay just to get i5-3570k with 760gtx. $3000 PC would happen if won lotto.
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