Sounds like fun, well, except for the captain I think

Haha yeah it was, well he took it as a good sport. ;-) And the CA's kept calling and asking him I he was okay for te rest the day. (This was on one of our slings) :-P

 

 

As we're on the subject, I've noticed in a couple of the videos that the seatbelt signs and cabin chimes are quite audible, whereas I don't think you can hear them at all on the flight deck in real life, not on the 777 anyway.

 

There's a crew rest area immediately behind the deck, where I'm sure the FAA requires the chimes to be heard (and elec placards to be visible), so I'd say it's pretty accurate.  When I've been flying, it's one of those subtle, subconscious things.  All you hear is pack, engine and wind; and then you think you hear something, but aren't sure, and notice that the EICAS no longer says "PASSENGER SIGNS ON," and only says "NO SMOKING/ELECTRONICS ON."

 

...and then you realize the sound you heard was the cabin chime.

 

That's how subtle it is for me at least.

Would just like to say that in the companies I have flown for 3 hi/lo chimes indicates a serious problem in the cockpit so.. Ie pilot incapacitation or some other problem.. :-) And we have used the statement Ryan came with, before departure and the cabin chief has called the cockpit and stated that the cabin is clear we would call over the PA - Cabin attendants please be seated for departure. Landing - at 10.000 feet signs would come on, and when near final we would call over the PA - Cabin Attendants please be seated for landing. :-)

But again it's different from company to company :-)

 

 

Jakob you are right, every airline is different. However I'm talking about 'Lo-Hi' chimes which are slightly different to 'Hi-Lo' but I think they are peculiar to this particular airline. They are only used for one purpose and that is to warn of imminent departure, on the 777 and 744. Anyway, I don't expect PMDG to model this.

 

 

There's a crew rest area immediately behind the deck, where I'm sure the FAA requires the chimes to be heard (and elec placards to be visible), so I'd say it's pretty accurate.  When I've been flying, it's one of those subtle, subconscious things.  All you hear is pack, engine and wind; and then you think you hear something, but aren't sure, and notice that the EICAS no longer says "PASSENGER SIGNS ON," and only says "NO SMOKING/ELECTRONICS ON."

 

...and then you realize the sound you heard was the cabin chime.

 

That's how subtle it is for me at least.

Kyle, not sure which variant you are talking about, but not every 777s are configured with crew rest, and all the ones I've seen/ worked on which do, it is located opposite D1L and above the cabin. You are right that it is a requirement to have the chimes and electronic signs audible/visible there for the crew.

 

However, trust me when I say that in my experience you cannot hear the chimes from the flight deck, not at the level that PMDG have modelled. When you are on the stand with the flight deck door open, then yes, maybe. But not when the door is closed.

 

Regards

So I'd say it's pretty accurate. When I've been flying, it's one of those subtle, subconscious things. All you hear is pack, engine and wind; and then you think you hear something, but aren't sure, and notice that the EICAS no longer says "PASSENGER SIGNS ON," and only says "NO SMOKING/ELECTRONICS ON."

 

...and then you realize the sound you heard was the cabin chime.

 

That's how subtle it is for me at least.

I'm bringing this up again because in your latest video Kyle, you refer to this at the point the seatbelts signs switch off. in your original post above, you expressed your opinion based not on facts, but what you think it might be like in the real aircraft. In the video, you then use the PMDG 777 to confirm your original opinion, as though it is factual.

 

However, I will say again that in my experience of sitting on real 777 flight decks when the cabin chimes are being switched on and off, you cannot hear it. Even before this came up, I once purposefully took off my headset before takeoff and listened to see if I could head the pre-takeoff cabin chimes. Straining my head towards the flight deck door, I couldn't hear anything. In reality the fans and air conditioning noises etc are just too loud. And this was on the ground, not in the air with the added noise of wind.

 

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for an argument. I'm not even that bothered if it doesn't even change for the final release. However I would still like to bring it to the attention of PMDG and see what they want to offer on the subject, and I would also like to hear if any RW 777 pilots hear have any differing opinions on the subject. I stand to be corrected.

 

Regards

LOL..."attend" .. as in bring me food and beverages...?

 

 

I'm bringing this up again because in your latest video Kyle, you refer to this at the point the seatbelts signs switch off. in your original post above, you expressed your opinion based not on facts, but what you think it might be like in the real aircraft.

 

Correct, and you'll even note that I offered an idea of why this might be so in an earlier post because of the crew rest, which you countered by stating "not every 777s are configured with crew rest."

 

As there's agreed variation in the configuration of the aircraft, I would then argue that there's variation in what you might hear between the models, but I can't say that with certainty.

 

I'm not arguing that my opinions should be taken as fact.  I am stating that a single person's experience with one of the aircraft configurations should be taken with a little grain of salt, especially when different models have different equipment near the deck.

 

For what it's worth, I was flying the F model both times, which has a supernumerary area immediately behind the flight deck door.  Both the lav and bunk would have chimes set to be audible in or near them, and they both share a wall with the flight deck.  I wouldn't call it too much of a stretch to say you'd be able to hear the chime from up front given that setup.

Correct, and you'll even note that I offered an idea of why this might be so in an earlier post because of the crew rest, which you countered by stating "not every 777s are configured with crew rest."

 

As there's agreed variation in the configuration of the aircraft, I would then argue that there's variation in what you might hear between the models, but I can't say that with certainty.

 

I'm not arguing that my opinions should be taken as fact.  I am stating that a single person's experience with one of the aircraft configurations should be taken with a little grain of salt, especially when different models have different equipment near the deck.

 

For what it's worth, I was flying the F model both times, which has a supernumerary area immediately behind the flight deck door.  Both the lav and bunk would have chimes set to be audible in or near them, and they both share a wall with the flight deck.  I wouldn't call it too much of a stretch to say you'd be able to hear the chime from up front given that setup.

Yes and the crew rest is not immediately behind the flight deck. However, on the aircraft I fly, there is a work space for the SCCM immediately behind the flight deck which includes interphone station and indicator lights. I believe this is also where the chimes sound from, or in the general area. However, it's still inaudible from the flight deck with the door shut.

 

You're right in that it could be audible in a 777(F) and not having flown these, I am unable to comment. However, it was in fact not your video that drew me to this issue, but a video from another tester flying the 772 LR.

 

Regards

If this is all we'll have to nitpick about, I'd say the guys over at PMDG did a damn fine job!

If this is all we'll have to nitpick about, I'd say the guys over at PMDG did a damn fine job!

+1

I thought it was for...'Please prepare Captains coffee'.  :lol:

The airline I know have a 'Takeoff' button they push on the interphone page of the central CDU. This initiates 3 'Lo-Hi' chimes when takeoff is imminent.

As we're on the subject, I've noticed in a couple of the videos that the seatbelt signs and cabin chimes are quite audible, whereas I don't think you can hear them at all on the flight deck in real life, not on the 777 anyway.

Maybe Armen or someone from PMDG can chime in on this.....

Good that the chimes are loud!

To add more realism to simming...maybe I can convince my girlfriend to bring some snacks and drinks when she hears that chime.

 

 

...maybe I can convince my girlfriend to bring some snacks and drinks when she hears that chime.

 

 

The "bring beer" chime.

Good that the chimes are loud!

To add more realism to simming

And how does it do that exactly...? Would it make it more realistic if PMDG made the flaps audible from the flight deck?

 

Regards

And how does it do that exactly...? Would it make it more realistic if PMDG made the flaps audible from the flight deck?

Regards

oh boy oh boy, I was yoking.

oh boy oh boy, I was yoking.

Sorry, completely mis-read your post. My bad!