I am sure he found a way to read the posts nevertheless. But I guess he will never again write something into that forum. As it was maybe only thought to be a simple joke.

 

That's my interpretation.

 

 

Since  you have  just joined  I remind you to have a read of  this  before any of  your posts get  deleted

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/245586-you-must-sign-your-full-real-name-to-posts-to-use-this-forum-posts-without-names-will-be-deleted/

Basic pilot skills such as NDB and VOR use need to be maintained as do using a traditional panel (without HSI or RMI) vs something like a G1000. My point of view comes from almost 40 years now (where'd the time go?) both fixed and rotary wing, doing for the most part what would be considered "blue collar" flying. Doing a NDB night approach in snow to an arctic 3400' lighted dirt strip in the saab340 or hs748 especially when the vasis/papi was u/s took good basic flying skills. The saab was easier with the basic efis and being able to overlay the adf needle on the ehsi but the hs748 was a true dinosaur. Doing a gps overlay approach is pretty easy stuff but hand flying  raw data on the same approach is a different world....it's also challenging and rewarding to do well. In Canada the usual progression is from the bottom of the flying world over quite a few years before getting to something such as one of the large carriers here. One gets a chance to develop a good foundation of flying skills before getting to the high end type of cockpit and those skills may come in handy sometime when all the sophisticated stuff craps out. GPS does occasionally crap out. I usually get at least one or two approaches a year when raim is lost then reverting to a traditional ndb or vor or whatever is no big deal - something to think about when ifr selecting an alternate.....having said this I do love the gps.

 

I can see in the not too distant future where the ndb or vor may not exist. Times change.

 

 

Neither do you ... Kevin

 

Yup, one and the same guy. Gone. If anyone sees this idiot trying again, please submit a report.

That not too distant future is now. All Enroute ndbs are being decommissioned in uk, vors are being rationalised initially so many are being turned off, airports which own their own NDB will keep until too costly and they have infrastructure in place for RNAV. Whole European SES and work of SESAR is based on newer more efficient technology, with curved approaches etc all on the horizon to better facilitate environment on both noise and fuel efficiency. Less weight in aircraft, more accuracy, automation they all coming, my prediction is there be more changes in aviation in the next few years than there has been in the last 20. I'm not saying its all good or even sometimes the right direction, but that's where embracing it, being part of it will ensure the better result. Fighting it and coming up with human arguments of nostalgier will only result in it still coming but naff version. I'm quite the advocate for people having primary navigation skills, but that's because the missuse and bad design of GPS by many ga is the result of the problems, infringements etc. better equipment along with correct procedures and training is the answer. Whilst GPS use is a reason for infringements, that good old direct to button, actually pilots using DR, tracking VORs etc are actually the highest proportion of over 1000 infringements in uk airspace last year.

 

We have to accept humans always the weakest link, and our interfering with advancement just enhances that weakness. Remember when something fails, it's because a human designed it, maintained it and built it.

(aftermath of forgetting to calc DA at a 3000'+ field, with two of your full-sized buddies in the plane...)

What was the outcome of the pilot and pax?

What was the outcome of the pilot and pax?

 

They were serious for a while, but I think they're fine now.  The plane was written off, on the other hand.  Soloed in that one...

old school here. VOR / DME , NDB 400 hours before I ever used GPS

Now, I use GPS mostly for in flight cross reference , situational awareness (although i try not to depend on it)

I fly mostly GA - Piper Arrow, F33, 310, Baron 58, Duke. Occasionally small Biz jets. I dont care for the big people transporters.

GPS is a neat toy but I see it as such.

I think the group has covered this well - that the FMC uses both VORs and ADFs in addition to it's own INS and GPS to keep track of the plane's location; that many general aviation planes still have VOR recievers etc.  

 

But one other fact is that GPS is very easy to disrupt.   So you better have all the other stuff.

 

http://www.economist.com/news/international/21582288-satellite-positioning-data-are-vitalbut-signal-surprisingly-easy-disrupt-out

 

Colin Ware

Seattle